New Product Introduction Today From Swarovski ? (4 Viewers)

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four weeks ago...



Andreas

Andreas. You know thing's can change. I just recently tried to get a strap for my EDG's because mine was screwed up and Nikon say's they don't have any. They don't have ANY part's for EDG's anymore because they have been discontinued for so long. If you would drop your EDG they are basically done. They couldn't even replace it unless they give you an HG Monarch. I don't want an orphan. I think Nikon's warranty on the binocular's they are currently selling is fine.

 

[Robert Moore]

I actually thought about the forehead rest before and have used my middle and index finger together to brace like that between the focus wheel and my forehead. I wear glasses and I think this will be awesome to help steady the view. Way to go Swarovski I think it’s great.

 

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This is what worries me about Nikon....will they / are they; really around for customer service & warranty etc.? So when I look at purchasing a Nikon, this simply has to come into play. Swarovski, well I know where they stand and I have no issue so purchasing a new product such as the NL, I know that even if little issues crop up, I am sure they will fix right away. Can the same be said of Zeiss? Or Leica? Not sure....

In my experience with all the brand's and it has been considerable Swarovski's warranty, service and support are easily the best of any of the binocular manufacturer's. That being said Nikon will support their current production binocular's even if they have to replace them. The older discontinued models like the EDG and SE are impossible to get any parts for.

 

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How might the forehead rest work as IS? I have never tried an IS binocular so don't know how to relate, but....if I brace my current binocular against the top of a rail or have an elbow on a pole etc, do you think that same effect would equal the IS that they state is from the forehead rest? ...

No, I think since the Swarovski forehead rest form's a tripod on your head with your eye socket's it would be more stable. It is a better idea than you might think. Just wait till people try them. For hunter's it is great because you can hold your bow or gun in one hand and and scan with your binocular's in the other hand. Swarovski will sell a lot of the NL 10x42 's and NL 12x42's with the forehead rest to hunter's out here in the west.

 

[nodd]

I see that Swarovski has altered the specification of the EL(The Legend no longer the fold pro) in that that close focusing distance is now 3.3m compared the 2.0m of NL. One way of stopping one of you products competing with your new star subtle changes in specs and name. I am glad to have one of the close focusing EL’s.

 

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I actually thought about the forehead rest before and have used my middle and index finger together to brace like that between the focus wheel and my forehead. I wear glasses and I think this will be awesome to help steady the view. Way to go Swarovski I think it’s great.

REALLY! This thread is moving so fast it is hard to keep up with it. A lot of good information.

 

[NDhunter]

I see that Swarovski has altered the specification of the EL(The Legend no longer the fold pro) in that that close focusing distance is now 3.3m compared the 2.0m of NL. One way of stopping one of you products competing with your new star subtle changes in specs and name. I am glad to have one of the close focusing EL’s.

I have doubts that Swarovski has actually changed the optics in the EL, they have just posted that change to make the new NL look better than the EL.

They know very few users would care about any small changes in close focus in any of these models.

Jerry

 

[wdc]

I have been using a head rest on my bins for years. Just grap an E2, SE or other smallish porro, preferably with slanted shoulders, in the most natural manner and use your index fingers as headrest. Then you'll have three points of contact: your hands, you eye-sockets/glasses and your forehead. Great for stabilizing the view. You can further remove (micro-)vibrations by grabbing the cap of your cap with your ring fingers or pinkies

This also works with small, light roofs that have a focus wheel positioned close to your face. If the focus wheel is positioned too far away from your face you can't use your index fingers as headrest and focus at the same time. If the bins are too heavy the pull of the objective side makes this position less comfortable.

George

If you wear eyeglasses, and a hat, the head rest may not integrate well into the ergo-equation. A hat is useful/essential to keep stray light off my own lenses. I also use the hat brim as the support that lightly touches the binocular tubes, or my own hands, thereby damping small movements.

Kudos to Swarovski for thinking of an aid to stability, but there are already such methods available with what is at hand (and worn)

-Bill

 

[nodd]

I have doubts that Swarovski has actually changed the optics in the EL, they have just posted that change to make the new NL look better than the EL.

They know very few users would care about any small changes in close focus in any of these models.

Jerry

Jerry
It also appears they have dropped two of the coatings too Swarodur, Swarotop from the EL spec.

Neil

 

[John A Roberts]

Hi Neil (post #329),

Don’t sweat the issue of the coatings

All 3 of Swarovski’s anti-reflection coatings (Swarotop, Swarodur and Swaroclean) are still on the EL, as are Swarobright and P-coating/ phase coating
- see the attached screen grab from one of the sliding displays on the initial EL page at the Swarovski site that lists the first 4

In much of Swarovski’s advertising - including the technical data - they seem somewhat arbitrary in the coatings that they list
e.g. see post #2 at: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=389706

I’m always somewhat surprised by this, as omitting such basic information causes unnecessary concern for those contemplating which brand to purchase
(the question is repeatedly asked on this and other forum, as to which coatings are on particular binoculars - not only those of Swarovski but also Zeiss and Leica)

- - - -

You also raised the issue of the increase to the x42 EL’s minimum focus distance from 1.5 to 3.3 m, in post #325
(and in another thread at: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=391681 )

It will be a significant change for some, and so a significant difference in favour of the NL with a 2m minimum (at 8x and 10x)
Balancing against that will presumedly be a significant reduction to the total rotation required for the EL focuser from lock to lock

And it may also indicate the use of a simplified focuser mechanism, as was the case when the minimum focus of the x42 SLC was increased from 1.9 to 3.2 m
- the original 2010 version verses the 2013 one


John

 

[nodd]

Hi Neil (post #329),

Don’t sweat the issue of the coatings

All 3 of Swarovski’s anti-reflective coatings (Swarotop, Swarodur and Swaroclean) are still on the EL, as are Swarobright and P-coating/ phase coating
- see the attached screen grab from one of the sliding displays on the initial EL page at the Swarovski site that lists the first 4

As I’ve noted before, in much of Swarovski’s advertising - including the technical data - they are somewhat arbitrary in the coatings that they list
e.g. see the example of the CL in post #2 at: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=389706

I’m always somewhat surprised by this, as omitting such basic information causes unnecessary concern for those contemplating which brand to purchase
(the issue occurs repeatedly on this and other forum as to which coatings are on various current production binoculars - not only those of Swarovski but also Zeiss and Leica)

- - - -

You also raised the issue of the increase to the x42 EL’s minimum focus distance from 1.5 to 3.3 m, in post #325
(and in another thread at: https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=391681 )

It will be a significant change for some, and so a significant difference in favour of the NL with a 2m minimum (at 8x and 10x)
Balancing against that will presumedly be a significant reduction to the total rotation required for the EL focuser from lock to lock

And it may also indicate the use of a simplified focuser mechanism, as was the case when the minimum focus of the x42 SLC was increased from 1.9 to 3.2 m
- the original 2010 version verses the 2013 one


John

Hi John

I think it is inevitable that the would be some tweaking of specification ,given the amount of price reduction there has been on EL. It just puts another EL version in the mix when buying new as existing EL stock begins to dwindle. Also something to be aware of when in the distant future they make it onto Secondhand market.

Neil

 

[temmie]

That little thing sticking out just above the focus knob... is that the diopter setting?

No word about diopter until now.
And only one comment (by Jan Van Daalen) about a quicker focuser.

imho two quite important features of any binocular.

 

[Troubador]

Hi Lee,

The prism arrangement in the SF was not an innovation. If you look at old cutaways you'll find that both prism arrangements have been used by various brands in Schmidt-Pechen binoculars for decades. The Zeiss 8x30 and 10x40 Dialyts and the 8/10x32 FLs used the same Schmidt prism followed by Semi-pentaprism as the SF as did the original Leica Trinovid and Ultravid and others. The only new thing I see in the NL is that the body is sculpted to closely follow the prism shape.

Henry

Absolutely right Henry. The only point here is that there is much about NL that is reminiscent of SF.

Lee

 

[Troubador]

The video is interesting because you see how honest, sincere and genuinely proud of their product they are. They are not flashy or high pressure marketing people. They are just the people that work hard behind the scenes to bring out a new product.

Correct Dennis and they did it in a second language, speaking to a camcorder and so without any audience feedback. They did a great job.

Lee

 

[John A Roberts]

Hi Temmie (post #332),

Yes, that little nubbin is the diopter adjustment - it's much less sophisticated than that of the EL (presumedly due to technical limitations)
From post #216 (of 335 and counting), the explanatory page from the manual . . .


John

 

[dalat]

My observation about the marketing doesn't want to suggest anything about the quality of the product, so in my opinion, the product will be as good as anything coming from Swarovski, no doubt about that.

It just struck me and at the one hand, I must admit I am sensitive towards this kind of advertisement in a way that I am actually less likely to like the product advertised, but at the other hand, I must say their marketing machine is impressive. They are executing the launch very well, and they determine the opinion by spreading the word through (some well respected) influencers / birdwatchers.

This is strikingly different from e.g. Leica and Zeiss: those companies only have a small number of people endorsing their products, and when a new model is launched, their is more rumour than official talk about it, creating a strange and very different buzz than the one created now by Swarovski.

I agree. Swaro makes decent products and is often a (small) step ahead of the competition, but what really sets them appart from Leica, Zeiss and Nikon is their marketing. I suppose the difference is due to binoculars and scopes being the only business for Swarovski Optik, while for the others its a mere side show to their other much bigger lines of business.

 

[alan kennedy]

It's refreshing to see a move away from double bridge in their flagship binocular. Having pushed Zeiss and Leica to follow they're switching back to a more traditional look which is good to see.

Alan

 

[temmie]

Hi Temmie (post #332),

Yes, that little nubbin is the diopter adjustment - it's much less sophisticated than that of the EL (presumedly due to technical limitations)
From post #216 (of 335 and counting), the explanatory page from the manual . . .


John

Thanks John! This thread is expanding faster than I can read!

 

[Jason Bugay Reyes]

Dennis...I have a pair of CL's coming in tomorrow to compare side by side to the Meostars, HG's and Trinovids. Should be interesting.

No doubt the new Swaro's coming out will top just about anything out here. It seems like Zeiss and Swaro push each other every so many years. Now, the SF is how many years old now? ...With the inclusion of the 32mm, I wonder what might be next for Zeiss? or....what might Swaro do? I know in the video someone hinted (in a question) about the 32mm's...right? but no definitive response.

Hope you will like the 8x30 CL!

 

[Chosun Juan]

I have doubts that Swarovski has actually changed the optics in the EL, they have just posted that change to make the new NL look better than the EL.

They know very few users would care about any small changes in close focus in any of these models.

Jerry

Jerry,

A change in CF from 1.5m to 3.3m is a change from 5ft to 11ft, or an additional 120%.

A poll of nature observers would be telling as to whether they (and how many of them) regard this change as "small" ........

I have considered and trialled the nature of a 120% change in several arenas. These are my verdicts:-
On the racetrack - I found 330km/hr to be substantially more than 150km/h. :king:
Earnings - I was quite happy to receive another 120% :t:
Property bird count - increase from 150 to 330 species. Fantastic ! Global Eco-tourism is now on the cards once the skies open again
Life Expectancy - a 120% increase - woo ! The New Year's Eve party for the 23rd Century is going to be awesome ! o 3

However, a less desirable 120% 'decrease' in life expectancy means that I am bringing you this post from the other side ! :gn:
I think you will find that the situation for a majority of people will be similar, and I think you will find that most would care greatly about that ! :eek!: ......... :smoke:






Chosun :gh: