New ATX has arrived for BINOMANIA: some photos (1 Viewer)

Hi to All, yesterday, I've received the New ATX telescopes: all three optical modules (65mm,85mm and 95mm) and various accessories. In the next days i will begin to test its.
For the moment i am quite impressed for the new zoom that is integrated in the chasiss of the prism: great Afov, no distorsion, no curvature: It's sound Great! I've also received the APO module , in this way i am able to use these new ATX with a Canon 5 D Mark II. Yesterday i've done a small comparison with my Kowa 883.
Best Regards from Italy
Piergiovanni

binomania said:

Hi to All, yesterday, I've received the New ATX telescopes: all three optical modules (65mm,85mm and 95mm) and various accessories. In the next days i will begin to test its.
For the moment i am quite impressed for the new zoom that is integrated in the chasiss of the prism: great Afov, no distorsion, no curvature: It's sound Great! I've also received the APO module , in this way i am able to use these new ATX with a Canon 5 D Mark II. Yesterday i've done a small comparison with my Kowa 883.
Best Regards from Italy
Piergiovanni

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Hi Piergiovanni,

Congrats on receiving the new ATX's! I'm looking forward to your impression on binomania.it. For now 2 questions:
- as you have done a small comparison I'm very curious about your first impression
- for a long, long time I'm awaiting your testresults on the Kowa TSN 883 (which I own) but it's still "in preparazione"

Of course, I don't want to urge you but... o

kwikstaart said:

Hi Piergiovanni,

Congrats on receiving the new ATX's! I'm looking forward to your impression on binomania.it. For now 2 questions:
- as you have done a small comparison I'm very curious about your first impression
- for a long, long time I'm awaiting your test results on the Kowa TSN 883 (which I own) but it's still "in preparazione"

Of course, I don't want to urge you but... o

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Hello. You're right. I apologize. I have always many binoculars to test and I have always a little time available, i am so sorry for this..

This is my lineup for the month of September.

1) Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32
2)Swarovision Range 10x42
3) Kowa 883 + Digiscoping Kit and 20-60X and 30X and 25X eyepieces
4) Leica Trinovid 8x42
5) Canon S95 vs Nikon P310 (Digiscoping)
6) Minox HG 8x56
7) Steiner Commander XP 7x50
8) New Swarovski telescopes
9) Review Canon 18x50 ..Updated

As you see, I will publish the review of Kowa 883 in the next days.
Yeah, I did a little comparison, but it is too early to have a certainty. Honestly, during the afternoon ,at 60X , I have noticed a few differences.
Yesterday at dusk i remained only in my garden. In this occasion, there is few difference of luminosity with Kowa at 60X and Swarovski 95 at 60X. With the luminous eyepieces 30X of Kowa 883, the luminosity was very similar. .Obviously Swarovski has a the system does not allow you to use fixed brighter eyepieces but i think that they have done a great job. It's a good photographic system, with focus and zoom regolation so close! Also, 70 enlargement, allow you to use the resolving power of the lens from 95mm
During the day is quite difficult to use 70X, due to turbulence, but at dusk I had the clear images, as in my astronomical refractor
The big difference, for now, that i've seen, is the great AFOV of the Swarovski zoom. I want control, with attention, the contrast and the resolution of these Spotting Scope, but i will do in the next days.
To see the true luminosity I have also have my eyes well adapted to the dark. For this reason, my test garden is worth little. I have to go in the field where i observe the deer and I have to wait for the dark
Well, now I can not give you the correct impressions.
I hope that you could understand my poor english.
Best Regards from Italy
Piergiovanni

binomania said:

I hope that you could understand my poor english.
Piergiovanni

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Well, Piergiovanni, it's ten times better than Google translate!
Pity you can't put up an English version, but I can appreciate that would overstretch your resources.

Regards,
John

Piergiovanni,

I'd say you have an interesting September ahead of you! I hope you'll do some objective optical measurements and tests while you have these scopes available. We can count on plenty of personal impressions of the Swarovski's appearing on the internet, but, alas, very few actual measurements of their resolving power or star-test analyses of their aberrations.

Henry

Thank you very much Piergiovanni, all your efforts are highly appreciated. September is close by. And, I'm a little jealous as well knowing ot's possible to play with so many optics.

henry link said:

Piergiovanni,

I'd say you have an interesting September ahead of you! I hope you'll do some objective optical measurements and tests while you have these scopes available. We can count on plenty of personal impressions of the Swarovski's appearing on the internet, but, alas, very few actual measurements of their resolving power or star-test analyses of their aberrations.

Henry

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Hi Henry, yes, i'ld like to insert, in my review, also an astronomic session with them. I want to do, also, a comparison with the 85mm vs the 95mm in the observation of galaxies and globular star clusters. I'm going in Valtellina to 1600m, above the sea level, to do this.
A Star Test? Yes! It is possible to do, but only to 70 enlargement

We must remember that this system has many lenses and that it was conceived as a terrestrial-photographic telescope.
I will publish some pictures with crops, on my website and the link to the original files. (i'll use a Canon 5 D Mark II for this job)
I hope to make some movie. But I have no time.
I have to give back all in two weeks! So I'll try.
Last night I did more tests. I went in the my small attic and I waited 20 minutes before trying the kowa 883 and Swarovski ATX 95.
I've used various "targets" in my country and in the close valley: bell, plates of cars in the shade, trees, etc etc.
It was 10.30 P.M., with a moon visible, at times ,behind the clouds
I have seen this ...

I can confirm without doubt that there is some difference of luminosity . With all the two zoom at 60X the Swarovski ATX 95 is, at least ,10% brighter than the Kowa.
By the way, this difference decreases if i used the fixed eyepieces of Kowa (30X with 72° AFOV) vs the Swarovski Zoom at 30X.
In this case, the field of view was wider in Kowa: and the difference in brightness, even if it is still a bit 'visible, decreases. In this circostanze Swarovski lost ,a little, in brightness because the fixed eyepiece of Kowa (with 5 elements) is brighter
.Let's say to me that Swarovski had to choose to improve the photographic performance of its products respect the visual observation (in my humble opinion)
So i think that They had preferred to create a telescope that photographs better than the old ATM 80HD.
For this, the new ATX not having the ability to change the eyepieces and they could lose in AFOV or in Constrast, vs great Spottingscopes that can use fixed eyepieces.
At the momento is only a personal supposition.
By the way I am very confident in his photographic performance! If tomorrow the weather will be nice, I will go into an oasis to photograph some animals.

Best Regards from a rainy Italy
Piergiovanni

Piergiovanni,

If you can get hold of a Zeiss 3x12 mono, you can easily do star-test at up to 210x (216x) magnification with the Swaro. With just a little bit of tape or rubber bike innertube around the barrel of the Zeiss, it will snugly fit into the ATX eyepiece and let you study the diffraction patterns in detail.

Kimmo

Piergiovanni,

Even if you're unable to follow Kimmo's suggestion I think you will still be able to see the important optical defects in 60-70x star-tests of these scopes. Certainly no higher magnification will be needed to see things like excessive spherical aberration, astigmatism, miscollimation, pinching or poorly made roof prisms. One of the main reasons for doing such tests is to make sure the review specimens are not compromised by sample defects, unfortunately all too common even in expensive spotting scopes.

I prefer using an artificial star in daylight. I set up a small glass ball in sunlight about 40-50 meters from the scope and examine the glitter point of the sun reflecting from the ball.

Henry