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12x42 NL Pure..... (1 Viewer)

rollingthunder

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England
Having tried almost the complete EL and NL range whilst birding in Eilat recently I was knocked out by these and the 12x spec. Like most birders 'of a certain age' I have half (at least) a dozen pairs of all the usual magnifications of 7x 8x and 10x and of course objective lens sizes of 30,40,42 and 50mm. My go to 'bins since purchasing in 1981 have been my faithful Zeiss 7x42b GAT's - the image clarity, all round excellent optics (excelling in crepuscular mode) meant they have not let me down. Indeed a friend, who works for a subsidiary of Zeiss, kindly sent them back to Oberkochen during Covid and got them completely serviced under the 'lifetime' guarantee all FOC. Bear in mind that when I purchased these in 1981 for £400 I was using my Zeiss East 10x50 Jenoptem which were 50 quid new back in the day so this represented a quantum leap in pricing and I had to borrow the money..........from my kid brother who was just getting into birding. They arrived just in time for my first jaunt to the Magic Isles aka The Scillies and for the first week more people looked through them than, well, I stopped counting - being hot off the foundry my pair were the only ones on the islands. These will now be my reserve pair like an old stud put out to grass having served their purpose.

Like many I have baulked at the thought of 12x optics as sceptically I have thought that FOV would be greatly reduced and issues of light gathering etc. 4+ decades later I am astonished at the current quality of high end optics. Back in the day it was a 2 horse race with wannabes like myself aspiring to either Zeiss or Leica. Other brands were somewhere in the middle having been blown into the weeds by the aforementioned. The 12x42 NL Pure have nearly the same FOV as my 7x with, wait for it, nearly twice the magnification! If you factor in both the edge resolution drop off and loss through eye relief with my spectacles I would say the Swarovski are possibly a larger FOV than my Zeiss. The image is bright, large and crisp and the feel/grip is almost like an extension of my hands. You just know when you are handling quality. As for the price I personally do not think they are overpriced bearing in mind over 4 decades my Zeiss were an equivalent 'investment'. Yes £2,550 is a lot of money but you are buying a Rolls Royce not a Del Boy Plastic Pig. At 840g they are not heavy. They come with a very comfortable neck strap, integrated and removable objective lens covers, double eyepiece detachable rain guard, smart carry bag and a little brush c/w bar of soap to clean the Green armour and of course a Swaro soft cloth. The whole kit and caboodle comes packaged like stuff from Apple does - another sign of quality and attention to detail imo.

In addition I purchased the Pro rain and dust cover. At 60+ quid it is a very expensive add-on. It works well but is designed to cover the optics and focussing without the forehead rest. As I bought the latter it is unlikely I will now use the dust cover but hey ho. The forehead rest would appear superfluous and at ca£127 it will probably remain so for many. I tried this in Eilat on both 10x and 12x and was impressed with the extra stability as you now have 3 points of contact i.e. a triangulation and we all know how inherently stable those are. I purchased mine from The Birders Store in Worcester a shop 'run by birders for birders' and started by my mate Brian Stretch. Excellent service is a given and I had an option for a free gift - I chose the Swarovski Pro harness and look forward to using it during my day long vigils this coming September at Batumi, Georgia.

Finally, why 12x? Having used 7x almost exclusively and 10x occasionally I feel the need for that 'extra reach' that these new optics will give. That little bit extra, combined with the superlative optical qualities, when searching for passerines in scrub can just clinch that elusive ID feature. Casual seawatching and sifting through local Gulls in the Winter are other reasons. The pleasure in using quality equipment for my prime hobby meant I felt that the time had come for that 'final upgrade' for a piece of equipment that I use daily.

Good birding -

Laurie -
 
After a month of intermittent use I think they are all they are cracked up to be and not 2 tubes bolted together as I read elsewhere. My only problem is than living in the West Midlands aka The Bird-denuded Triangle there is very little that raises the pulse. This Spring has been excellent for Mediterranean overshoots but hardly a record of anything for the West Midlands region and the less said about the titular county the better. As an example there have been no birds posted on my 'nearby' section (within 30 miles) on Birdguides since May 6th.....

Back to the 'bins. I also do not think they are overpriced. When I bought my Zeiss 7x42's in 1981 they were 400 quid. Considering the Ziess East 10x50 Jenoptem I used at the time could be purchased for about 50 quid iirc. A quantum leap financially of 8x. I would say you need to pay about £250 for a decent pair of field 'bins now so a 10x considering what you are now the owner of I think is fine. A friend of mine just paid £3k for half a dozen golf clubs with associated socks and paraphernalia and let's not start on.....cars!

They feel snug in the hand and can be held one-handed with ease imo. The image is super bright and the clarity is outstanding. I watched some Skylarks land several hundred yards away and could pick up facial and orbital detail. Eye relief is excellent as I wear glasses and don't like to raise them to use binoculars. The rain guard is a very 'snug' fit and this sometimes leads to eye relief moving a stop down or a stop up but it's not a problem. I have the Swarovski Green Neoprene cover which I have to say is expensive for what it is but it is a niche product. As I have the forehead rest fitted this cover does not close fully which is a pain. You can still use it as it will fit over but will not pull down to cover the eyepieces.....which is what it is designed for. I am certainly not buying another if and when Swaro rectify the issue. The forehead rest is useful imo but not an essential. If you wear a beanie as I do from time to time then that affects the setting of the thing. It can also change position if you knock it. I do actually think that the field cover and this in addition to a harness should be standard with the sale of the binoculars but that's me. I do have all of these items But it's another nearly 300 quid if you don't. The front in-situ eyecaps I find useful for protection as the objective lenses are not recessed that deep really. One or both pop off from time to time if the 'bins are worn under a fleecy so make sure they are firmly pressed in by inserting at the bottom, where they are hinged, and press from there to the top.

Will these superb optics make me a better birder? Unlikely as like all my kit they are just tools. For me more travel, more reading and more time in the field will make me a better birder. Will they enable me to find and identify rare birds - not a chance around here which is literally the worst area I have ever lived in for birdwatching. What they will do is to make my hobby and passion more enjoyable and at 66 the clock is ticking whether or not you know what is around the corner. Just looking at the details on the Wrens that are nesting in the garden or a beautiful male Starling singing on a nearby roof, the Blue base to the bill even more discernible thru these quality optics, make me glad I bought them. I wish I had had them in Eilat recently as the 12x would have clinched a few ID issues and yes the extra reach over 10x is noticeable. Bear in mind that I personally have moved from 7x to a whopping 12x with hardly a reduction in FOV - truly, madly, technically, astonishing.....

I have also made the leap of faith into Swarovski 'scopes. I have several but admit to not being much of a 'scope user. Having said that I would be if I invest in top quality so as they say 'it's only money'.....

I opted for the ATX 95mm and dropped on a mint condition objective module, angled 30-70x, 30mm APO DLSR lens and a T2 ring form my Canon 7D's.
All this came as a bundle c/w Swaro Neoprene covers for £3k - should have been £4.500. Reason for sale being too heavy for an older birder - the seller was 55yo btw. I bought the package through Viking Optical and had a nice chat prior to ascertain detail. In addition I thought in for a penny in for a pound I bought, again from a birder who changed to the 85mm so was virtually unused, the 65mm objective module for 600 quid c/w Swaro Neoprene cover another saving of nearly £300. The 65mm is substantially lighter and smaller than the 95mm so will come in as a useful adjunct. The 115mm is still too new to the market to yield anything secondhand.....yet. At £2.5k forget it but in a years' time at half price I have no doubt I shall acquire one.

Good birding -

Laurie -
 
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After a month of intermittent use I think they are all they are cracked up to be and not 2 tubes bolted together as I read elsewhere. My only problem is than living in the West Midlands aka The Bird-denuded Triangle there is very little that raises the pulse. This Spring has been excellent for Mediterranean overshoots but hardly a record of anything for the West Midlands region and the less said about the titular county the better. As an example there have been no birds posted on my 'nearby' section (within 30 miles) on Birdguides since May 6th.....

Back to the 'bins. I also do not think they are overpriced. When I bought my Zeiss 7x42's in 1981 they were 400 quid. Considering the Ziess East 10x50 Jenoptem I used at the time could be purchased for about 50 quid iirc. A quantum leap financially of 8x. I would say you need to pay about £250 for a decent pair of field 'bins now so a 10x considering what you are now the owner of I think is fine. A friend of mine just paid £3k for half a dozen golf clubs with associated socks and paraphernalia and let's not start on.....cars!

They feel snug in the hand and can be held one-handed with ease imo. The image is super bright and the clarity is outstanding. I watched some Skylarks land several hundred yards away and could pick up facial and orbital detail. Eye relief is excellent as I wear glasses and don't like to raise them to use binoculars. The rain guard is a very 'snug' fit and this sometimes leads to eye relief moving a stop down or a stop up but it's not a problem. I have the Swarovski Green Neoprene cover which I have to say is expensive for what it is but it is a niche product. As I have the forehead rest fitted this cover does not close fully which is a pain. You can still use it as it will fit over but will not pull down to cover the eyepieces.....which is what it is designed for. I am certainly not buying another if and when Swaro rectify the issue. The forehead rest is useful imo but not an essential. If you wear a beanie as I do from time to time then that affects the setting of the thing. It can also change position if you knock it. I do actually think that the field cover and this in addition to a harness should be standard with the sale of the binoculars but that's me. I do have all of these items But it's another nearly 300 quid if you don't. The front in-situ eyecaps I find useful for protection as the objective lenses are not recessed that deep really. One or both pop off from time to time if the 'bins are worn under a fleecy so make sure they are firmly pressed in by inserting at the bottom, where they are hinged, and press from there to the top.

Will these superb optics make me a better birder? Unlikely as like all my kit they are just tools. For me more travel, more reading and more time in the field will make me a better birder. Will they enable me to find and identify rare birds - not a chance around here which is literally the worst area I have ever lived in for birdwatching. What they will do is to make my hobby and passion more enjoyable and at 66 the clock is ticking whether or not you know what is around the corner. Just looking at the details on the Wrens that are nesting in the garden or a beautiful male Starling singing on a nearby roof, the Blue base to the bill even more discernible thru these quality optics, make me glad I bought them. I wish I had had them in Eilat recently as the 12x would have clinched a few ID issues and yes the extra reach over 10x is noticeable. Bear in mind that I personally have moved from 7x to a whopping 12x with hardly a reduction in FOV - truly, madly, technically, astonishing.....

I have also made the leap of faith into Swarovski 'scopes. I have several but admit to not being much of a 'scope user. Having said that I would be if I invest in top quality so as they say 'it's only money'.....

I opted for the ATX 95mm and dropped on a mint condition objective module, angled 30-70x, 30mm APO DLSR lens and a T2 ring form my Canon 7D's.
All this came as a bundle c/w Swaro Neoprene covers for £3k - should have been £4.500. Reason for sale being too heavy for an older birder - the seller was 55yo btw. I bought the package through Viking Optical and had a nice chat prior to ascertain detail. In addition I thought in for a penny in for a pound I bought, again from a birder who changed to the 85mm so was virtually unused, the 65mm objective module for 600 quid c/w Swaro Neoprene cover another saving of nearly £300. The 65mm is substantially lighter and smaller than the 95mm so will come in as a useful adjunct. The 115mm is still too new to the market to yield anything secondhand.....yet. At £2.5k forget it but in a years' time at half price I have no doubt I shall acquire one.

Good birding -

Laurie -

I have the same setup like yours and only acquired the 12x42 recently after briefly tested it last year. Same for years, 8x32 EL were my primary bino and used the 10x42 EL occasionally. After I tried the 12x42 NL, unbelievable on my eyes... Tried it yesterday on the flying waders and waterbirds, different feelings than what I used to felt with the 8x32 (not bothering to ID birds in flight). Can see more details with those birds in flight now!

Nice combo with the lightweight ATC56 scope too hehehe

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I have the same setup like yours and only acquired the 12x42 recently after briefly tested it last year. Same for years, 8x32 EL were my primary bino and used the 10x42 EL occasionally. After I tried the 12x42 NL, unbelievable on my eyes... Tried it yesterday on the flying waders and waterbirds, different feelings than what I used to felt with the 8x32 (not bothering to ID birds in flight). Can see more details with those birds in flight now!

Nice combo with the lightweight ATC56 scope too hehehe

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I have the 12x42 also - amazing

Also the BTX with 115mm and just acquiring the STC also
 
The 115mm would probably be a step too far for me as my primary transport are a selection of bicycles, secondary being by foot!

I did have access to the range of Swarovski equipment during the Bird Festival at Eilat last year. Although Zeiss sponsor the event it was more a Swaro advert optically. It was sampling other birders equipment that convinced me to make 'the final upgrade' and hang up my trusty Zeiss West 7x42's that have stood me in good stead for 40 years and at a cost of £400 in 1981 - quite an investment for a youngish birder then. Allowing for inflation and the considerable improvement in design and weight I do not think the Swarovski overpriced and certainly not overrated. My local birding can safely be described as crap but I thought I would still rather look at crap through Rolls-Royce optics. I am fortunately able to travel abroad at least 4 times a year so these excursions are when the investment in Swaro will pay off.....

As for the 115m...........if I see one at the right price ;-)

Good birding -

Laurie -
 
In addition, for those that are toying with the idea. I bought the Swaro adapter 2.0 for mobile phones, this is an updated and easier to use version than the original. It satisfies the 2, imo, criteria of Swarovski - it is a very well made quality bit of kit and it's expensive! It is around £150 and if you are thinking of buying one bear in mind that Swaro stuff only goes up. It has a wide range of adjustment and literally fits like a glove. There is no messy fiddling and although I am a fan of making do in light of the King's Ransom I have spent of late I bit the bullet as they say. It cannot be used without supplementary adapters I'm afraid. These screw into place very positively and are easily switched as needed. I have the NL Pure 12x42's and a pair of the 10x25 CL's (wonderful compact 'bins) plus the BTX and ATX modules. 3 adapters are needed in order to achieve compatibility and get the most potential out of the system. The very large ATX eyepiece needs one, The 12x42 and BTX share the same smaller diameter and the 10x25 needs the smallest one. Each of these cost an eye-watering £42. They are, however a very specialised item and only fit Swaro due to the bayonet/screw type fitting. They are locked with a cam-type lever and do not work loose so peace of mind is assured. I have both a Bluetooth shutter release and a pair of Apple ear pieces, the older ones with a wire and jack plug - the volume control is also the shutter activation. This reduces the potential of camera shake.

I have yet to use any of the above in anger as the Lumix Fz330 bridge camera is just sooo convenient. I am off to Malaga next week so will put it through its paces.....

Good birding -

Laurie -
 
Are you using it with a swarovski tripod and swarovski head? Does that work well? Both lightweight and stable?

Yes so stable and lighter than my old setup. Even when the legs were fully extended, no problem at all. The middle column has a hook to hang bags etc but that would be useful during windy time at the coast and paddy field in my place.

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I had my NL12X42 out yesterday in fairly decent conditions, IMO the glowing reviews, other than some occasional glare in certain situations, aren’t hype. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and opinions on optics are subjective, but my eyes tell me the 12X NL currently has the most captivating view of anything I’ve owned/ looked through.IMG_3113.jpeg
 
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I had my NL12X42 out yesterday in fairly decent conditions, IMO the glowing reviews, other than some occasional glare in certain situations, isn’t hype. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and opinions on optics are subjective, but my eyes tell me the 12X NL currently has the most captivating view of anything I’ve owned/ looked through.View attachment 1573233
Now the voices in my head have started up again. :(
 
I had my NL12X42 out yesterday in fairly decent conditions, IMO the glowing reviews, other than some occasional glare in certain situations, aren’t hype. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and opinions on optics are subjective, but my eyes tell me the 12X NL currently has the most captivating view of anything I’ve owned/ looked through.
Good stuff. For about 2 hours today, I birded with a colleague's 12x42 NLs while he used my 8x42 NLs. I found myself in awe of his awesome 12x42s -- especially when scanning the sky for raptors and distant waterfowl. Truly, incredible binoculars.

But I now realize I would not want to own them. For me, holding them steady proved unduly troublesome and particularly impractical when searching for spring warblers in wooded areas. Not surprisingly, my colleague felt my 8x42s were inadequate for him, though he did say teasingly they'd be great for kids.
 
You can resist thinking on the future NL12x52 but the delay will turn more expensive...
I seem to have found an alternative to such extravagance: a carefully curated selection of older alpha designs, never mind that together they now cost more than a couple of NLs... it helps to think of them as rescue bins.
 
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I bought my NL 12X42 in superb condition for $2400, are they worth that much, in comparison to the EL 8.5/10X42 SV-FP and Zeiss 8/10X42 SF, I believe they are, but that's totally subjective, they easily have the best view (l've) seen, and they suit (my) viewing habits perfectly. Would I pay new price if I knew l'd never find a good used pair, probably.
 
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