Achrocephalus or Sylvia borin? (1 Viewer)

[Muratfaik]

I took this photo (actually video grab) in September 2017, Ankara. Slate legs and general colorarion suggest S. borin but other details seems closer to achrocephalus.. opinions please. Thanks.

 

[KenM]

Sylvia borin 👍

 

[Brian J Small]

Sylvia borin 👍

I doubt it with those long undertail coverts and short outer tail feathers

Possibly young Marsh which can look quite short-billed at times

ML368162851 - Marsh Warbler - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML368162851; © דויד סבן; Yerushalayim, Israel

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[Andy Adcock]

I doubt it with those long undertail coverts and short outer tail feathers

Possibly young Marsh which can look quite short-billed at times

ML368162851 - Marsh Warbler - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML368162851; © דויד סבן; Yerushalayim, Israel

macaulaylibrary.org

Leg colour is wrong surely?

 

[KenM]

Leg colour is wrong surely?

Correct Andy, also regarding shorter UTC’s, something I’ve observed not infrequently on GW…it’s all about “posturing” which “Brizey” is not unfamiliar with.

 

[Harrybongo]

I took this photo (actually video grab) in September 2017, Ankara. Slate legs and general colorarion suggest S. borin but other details seems closer to achrocephalus.. opinions please. Thanks. View attachment 1515614View attachment 1515615

Hi. The bill shape/ length, to me, doesn't look right for a Garden? I know I'm most probably miles out, just a suggestion, but has anyone though of an Upcher's Warbler?

 

[Muratfaik]

I think we should compare A. s. fuscus vs S. b. woodwardi subpecies. These are eastern Europe birds and can be slightly different coloration compared to british ır european birds. Any info of bill length-shape of these birds?

 

[Richard Dale]

Tail shape - clearly shorter outer feathers giving a rounded shape - visible in first picture, so it's an Acro.

 

[vergan]

It would be great if you could share the video. Not just for properly make/agree at the id, but also for seeing the bird itself in the move.
cheers

 

[SJC]

Definitely some sort of Acrocephalus and for me most probably a fuscus Reed Warbler

 

[Simon G]

Can anyone actually see a graduated tail in the first photo, or is this just a bird regrowing outer tail feathers? Also are the primaries correct for any candidate Acrocephalus? I think we can see the relative lengths and emarginations quite clearly. The bill looks very stubby for an Acro to me as well.

 

[KenM]

Here are a few Garden Warbler images with long UTC’s, short bills, lead grey legs and slightly rounded tail feathers (assumed wear and tear).

Cheers

 

[Butty]

Can anyone actually see a graduated tail in the first photo

Nope - it's impossible to do more than guess at the tail-tip-shape, though certainly it's not obviously rounded. But obviously I'd never tell someone that what they think they can see isn't actually there...

 

[Bewick]

Agree with garden warbler.

 

[Muratfaik]

Hi,

I edited two video sequence that may be helpful fır ID.

View attachment FullSizeRender.MOV

 

[Mark Lew1s]

Still looks like an acro here. Jizz looks better for one, upperpart plumage tones fit better (some pretty warm tones visible). Tertials are well marked (not good for garden warbler/good for marsh warbler) and emargination on P3 is strong (good for an acro, with position favouring marsh).

 

[Xenospiza]

Another vote for Acrocephalus scirpaceus fuscus (which has well-marked tertials and dark legs).

 

[Mike Earp]

Still looks like an acro here. ... upperpart plumage tones fit better (some pretty warm tones visible)

Totally agree!

 

[tconzemi]

But these lead blue feet?!

 

[Armand]

well the vid kills any argument against an acro for me, even has a nice warm rusty rump, reed warbler style

quick look in literature gives a range of leg colours of grey-brown to blue-grey for Reed Warbler... (fwiw, cites marsh warbler as pale straw to greyish; Birds of Britain - Hume et al 2nd ed)