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Gulls, Istanbul (1 Viewer)

Val35

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Hi, I've just come back from a little trip to Istanbul on the first week of January. This city has a ton of gulls, most of which were definitely Yellow Legged and Black Headed with a couple of Commons and Mediterranean in the mix.
A few gulls still puzzle me though and I'd like your opinion on these...

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Caspian (the bird on the right, both pics same bird) ?

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My initial thoughts were Armenian until I saw the pale iris (but maybe this varies ?), so maybe just Yellow Legged (same bird on both pics, it's the one on the left in the second pic).

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Probably Yellow Legged but something felt odd when I saw it (bird in the background).

Thanks !
 
all birds are YLG. the 1st cycle / winter in pics 1-2 is advanced in plumage and has already some 3rd generation scapulars giving it the plainer grey appearance. bird 2 is a 3rd cycle (4cy now) and thus showing this much black to bill. bird 3 is a 2nd cycle.
 
I was pretty sure about Caspian, although now that I look at it, that plain grey appearance and bill fit Yellow Legged much better !
Seems like I still need to work on those gulls :)
Thank you for your detailed answer, much appreciated !
In the second bird, what made me think of Armenian isn't only the bill color (I knew that 3-4cy Yellow-Legged can show this kind of bill) but structure seemed very different to me from the adult Yellow-Legged on the right for example...could it be because they are male and female ?
 
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