Juvvie-Jackdaw,Rook,Crow ?.-or plumage probs (2 Viewers)

[christineredgate]

Spotted this youngster on a roof.We do have lots of Rooks and Jackdaws around,but are these juvenile feathers,or does this guy have some problems.
Many thanks,
Christine

 

[julieredwing]

Looks like a hooded crow to me - we get lots up here in Shetland. Nothing wrong with it's plumage. Doesn't look like a juvenile - but someone might correct me there!

 

[Andrew Whitehouse]

Appears to be a Hybrid Crow (Carrion x Hooded Crow). Looks to have a bit too much black for a pure Hooded Crow.

 

[christineredgate]

thanks Andrew and Julie.

 

[christineredgate]

Yes ,I have just looked in the ID book,never thought of hooded Crow.Looks like I have 2 1sts in 2 days!!!

 

[BuckeyeAZ]

Looks like a perfectly standard (and probably adult) hooded crow.

 

[phil baber]

Looks like a perfectly standard (and probably adult) hooded crow.

Tend to agree on the above.

 

[phil baber]

Appears to be a Hybrid Crow (Carrion x Hooded Crow). Looks to have a bit too much black for a pure Hooded Crow.

Sorry Andrew. Not picking you up on any points!

But why too much black? Am interested in learning about hybrid CC X HC that's all.

Most of my experience of HC has been in Poland. Maybe Scottish Hoodies are a bit different? I still have not seen one in UK! :eek!:

ATB

phil b

 

[Andrew Whitehouse]

Sorry Andrew. Not picking you up on any points!

But why too much black? Am interested in learning about hybrid CC X HC that's all.

Most of my experience of HC has been in Poland. Maybe Scottish Hoodies are a bit different? I still have not seen one in UK! :eek!:

ATB

phil b

I perhaps err on the side of caution as I live somewhere where Hybrid Crows are quite common. They often look a lot like Hooded Crows but tend to show slightly more black or the grey is a bit darker than a Hoodie. This bird shows black flecking in the grey of the underparts which might be signs of hybridisation. I'd quite like to see a shot showing the upperparts. So really I'm just being cautious, what with this being out of the normal range of Hooded Crow. Around here I'd generally suspect a bird like this has some mixed ancestry.

 

[Adam W]

Here is a photo of 2 pure Hoddies i took in Oban last week looks pretty much the same to me but you can make your own mind up.

 

[Andrew Whitehouse]

Christine's bird does look like quite a lot like a Hooded Crow from what can be seen, and if you want you can call it a 'Hooded Crow' but, as I say, it does show some suggestion of hybridity and with an out of range bird that's perhaps more likely. In northeast Scotland I see a lot of 'Hooded Hybrid Crows' but not many Hooded Crows.

 

[Mark Lew1s]

I think the black edges on the flanks probably rules out a totally pure hoodie. Also, I get quite a brownish hint to the grey of a real hoodie...(don't pick me up on that...I can't really describe it any other way!) that I'm not getting from this bird.

 

[Adam W]

Having had a closer look I think most probably it isnt quite 100% pure Hooded Crow but its extremely close,if it was the only one I'd seen i think i'd be ticking it.

 

[BuckeyeAZ]

Anyway... it's basically a hoodie - but what's it doing in Cumbria (if that's where it is) in June (if that's when it is)?

 

[John In Ireland]

Hooded Crows are everywhere here in Ireland, replacing the Carrion. In my opinion, it just looks like an ordinary Hooded to me. I see them every day. Hope that helps.

 

[julieredwing]

Yes, I read with interest all your comments.
I can echo what John Foss says - Hooded crows are everywhere here in Shetland too and it looks just like the ones here.

 

[phil baber]

Andrew,

Thanks for the feedback!:t:

 

[christineredgate]

Thanks all,did not know that there were all these other comments,so,is the genereral consensus that it is a "Hoodie"?.Have not seen it since.but we are now living in a farming area,and there are masses of Rooks etc,

 

[phil baber]

It's a standard Hoodie AFAIC.

 

[Macswede]

Andrew may well be correct though if I saw this bird in Stockholm I wouldn't look twice and there are no hybrids here. I've certainly seen more obvious hybrids in Helensburgh, Scotland, where my dad lives.