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[PYRTLE]

So going back to your original post Champ, where are you now after requesting members thoughts on the Zeiss SFs, any the wiser? Hopefully you have now ascertained that any problems with the original tranche have now been ironed out as far as Zeiss can tinker. Yes, the YouTube videos that impressed you, don't cut the mustard with some here on BF ( including me ) and now we have deviated onto the business acumen of the sports optics companies! And now echo chambers to boot..
It's a pity that you cannot easily get to a specialist retailer to compare the "alphas" side by side but it could be very productive in answering any other issues - another very important factor being the ergonomics of an instrument. Have a day out rather than in front of a screen, far more productive than a keyboard. There are still a few traditional specialist birding optics retailers about with knowledgeable staff, many who are birders, where abouts are you?
But as any experienced bino user will suggest, it is was suits you best at the end of the day - there are hundreds of posts where members say why A is better than B but C is the one.
Good luck.

 

[eronald]

Hi Jan,

It generally happens when these people who are normally inside a community of some kind (like a forum) have been living in an echo chamber for too long and are frightened when something different is said to them. It scares them. I pity them really....

Champ

People the world over have been surviving very nicely with moderately priced commodity binoculars for years - this community is a bit obsessed with luxury items, it would seem. The birds in my garden are between 30 to 100 ft away, I don’t think the binocular model matters much in this context although the cat will certainly affect my observations

More seriously, my impression is that Zeiss Swaro etc were the Mercedes and BMW of optics until recently but are now moving into Ferrari territory.

Edmund

 

[jan van daalen]

Hi Jan,

It generally happens when these people who are normally inside a community of some kind (like a forum) have been living in an echo chamber for too long and are frightened when something different is said to them. It scares them. I pity them really....

Champ

Hi Champ,

This only reflects your opinion.
Can it be, that the clown on YouTube and you are one and the same person?
Jan

 

[champ412]

Hi Champ,

This only reflects your opinion.
Can it be, that the clown on YouTube and you are one and the same person?
Jan

Considering he is American and I am British something you would have detected if you had actually watched any of his videos (tip its the play button down the bottom). I am in the UK see the pattern under my name, thats called a flag. But i am sure you already knew all of that, thats what I like about you Jan, your attention to detail.....

 

[Tringa45]

I did hear that the rb effect was significantly reduced on the NL's. I think I could live with some distortion of that type just not as strong as it is in the ELs.

Both binoculars have effectively eliminated rectilinear distortion and consequently show angular magnification distortion. The latter would likely be more apparent as rolling ball in the NLs because of the larger AFoV.
We don't all agree here, but there is a far higher proportion of cognoscenti in the "echo chamber" than outside.
I suggest you reread Henry Link's posts above.

John

 

[champ412]

So going back to your original post Champ, where are you now after requesting members thoughts on the Zeiss SFs, any the wiser? Hopefully you have now ascertained that any problems with the original tranche have now been ironed out as far as Zeiss can tinker. Yes, the YouTube videos that impressed you, don't cut the mustard with some here on BF ( including me ) and now we have deviated onto the business acumen of the sports optics companies! And now echo chambers to boot..
It's a pity that you cannot easily get to a specialist retailer to compare the "alphas" side by side but it could be very productive in answering any other issues - another very important factor being the ergonomics of an instrument. Have a day out rather than in front of a screen, far more productive than a keyboard. There are still a few traditional specialist birding optics retailers about with knowledgeable staff, many who are birders, where abouts are you?
But as any experienced bino user will suggest, it is was suits you best at the end of the day - there are hundreds of posts where members say why A is better than B but C is the one.
Good luck.

To clarify, videos on youtube can be of useful for multiple reasons, I am not concerned with who finds the videos hideously inaccurate from an optical engineering perspective or who finds them wonderfully insightful. The purpose the videos posed for me was to encourage me to buy a pair of binoculars and to enjoy them which is what I am doing. This guy's videos were the only ones that I could find that regularly allowed you a view through the binoculars which I found useful. If people on this forum want to disrespect him for trying to help people go ahead, no skin off my nose but it tells me more about those members than anything else.

 

[Tringa45]

Considering he is American and I am British something you would have detected if you had actually watched any of his videos (tip its the play button down the bottom). I am in the UK see the pattern under my name, thats called a flag. But i am sure you already knew all of that, thats what I like about you Jan, your attention to detail.....

And had you noticed that Jan is Dutch? If you could speak German would you notice my English accent?

 

[champ412]

And had you noticed that Jan is Dutch? If you could speak German would you notice my English accent?

And had you noticed I don't care ? Just because you are a certain nationality does not inhibit your ability to detect accents. I have several very good Dutch friends who I regularly converse with and they can definitely tell the difference between British and American accents.

 

[jan van daalen]

Considering he is American and I am British something you would have detected if you had actually watched any of his videos (tip its the play button down the bottom). I am in the UK see the pattern under my name, thats called a flag. But i am sure you already knew all of that, thats what I like about you Jan, your attention to detail.....

Hi Champ,

Well, if Henry considers him a clown (oh oh, risking of being accused of echo chambering. Who's opinion do I value more. Henry.s or Champs. Not a tough choice I'm afraid) I know I don't have to waste any time on that subject.
Thx for your contributions Champ.

Jan

 

[PYRTLE]

To clarify, videos on youtube can be of useful for multiple reasons, I am not concerned with who finds the videos hideously inaccurate from an optical engineering perspective or who finds them wonderfully insightful. The purpose the videos posed for me was to encourage me to buy a pair of binoculars and to enjoy them which is what I am doing. This guy's videos were the only ones that I could find that regularly allowed you a view through the binoculars which I found useful. If people on this forum wants to disrespect him for trying to help people go ahead, no skin off my nose but it tells me more about those members of this forum than anything else.

Didn't answer any relevant points, shame to say I think you're just here as as an argumentative spoiler. Tried to be helpful in your quest but you bob and weave to avoid the topic. Again, good luck.

 

[champ412]

PYRTLE​

Sorry which points did I not answer ? Your only questions :

Where about's are you? : I am not answering that on here.
Any wiser ? : I have already clarified that with my more recent posts regarding SLC investigation.

 

[champ412]

Hi Champ,

Well, if Henry considers him a clown (oh oh, risking of being accused of echo chambering. Who's opinion do I value more. Henry.s or Champs. Not a tough choice I'm afraid) I know I don't have to waste any time on that subject.
Thx for your contributions Champ.

Jan

So you are confirming then you are just following his view without investigating yourself. You have just proven my point.

 

[Tringa45]

Don't feed the troll! Another one for my short and exclusive ignore list.

John

 

[champ412]

Well thank you to those who have posted useful independent comments I appreciate the help. Sadly only a handful when you strip out the sheep but thank you none the less Sadly as with most echo chambers "Troll" is inevitably used to attempt to label and disregard new comers with dangerously non-conformist views which don't match the group think mentality which is sadly where we have arrived at here.

I will restrain from commenting further to allow the regular flow of posts to continue without any critical thinking interfering.

Thanks again

 

[jan van daalen]

So you are confirming then you are just following his view without investigating yourself. You have just proven my point.

Thanks again for your valuable contributions like calling others "sheep, echo chambers, out of ideas, raising the middle finger to those who do not fit, scared and frightened".
Quite a list and yes we will move on.

Jan

 

[Maljunulo]

This thread has a lot of potential.

 

[Maljunulo]

......this community is a bit obsessed with luxury items, it would seem.

I disagree.

It is not a matter of "surviving very nicely" it is a matter of having and using what we see as the best available.

As for being "obsessed with luxury items" you are attaching a judgmental label to anything over an arbitrary price limit which you are setting in your own mind. (and we have no idea what that limit is)

We, for the most part, do not buy our binoculars with the idea of their being "luxury items" it is just that we believe that the ones we select are the best that the state of the art and the laws of physics permit to be manufactured and sold at a realistic price.

Lower price inevitably means compromises, which may or not be acceptable to us.

Yust my opinion.

 

[dries1]

So some are put off if (that is the right word) regarding the visual observation while panning with the SV. There are other choices, many other choices.

 

[eronald]

The products under discussion here, the Zeiss SF x42 series are superb for 95% of users, and induce nausea in some of the other 5%.
The same goes for the high end Swaros. The geeks seem to agree that studies confirm the perception really occurs, and is correlated with a certain measurable type of distorsion - if I understand rightly.

Unfortunately we get a bunch of defensive replies here of the style “never happened to me or me friends so you must be a lying b*stard to claim that”.
We also get some constructive remarks like “try before you buy, trust your own eyes, not what people say”.

I vote we go with the neutral “try before you buy” advice and move on to a less controversial topic, eg. whether one should use animal-leather straps on birding binoculars


Some

 

[dorubird]

It is very simple, binoculars are like wines...as I said before! We are not equal in preferences and appreciations and it's very good to be different! Champ412 that's exactly what he did: he tried SV EL and he didn't like the SV "taste". Now he has to try another "wine". For example, I like Zeiss SF "dry wine" more than SV EL "sweet wine"
The "atmosphere" slowly "ignited" but we all have our daily upsets! I propose a reconciliation toast with a glass of wine ... everyone comes with their own favorite "wine" !