Raptor, Germany (1 Viewer)

[xrxss15]

Is this a honey buzzard? Thanks for your answers!

Regards,
Joh

 

[CARERY]

I guess it's an Osprey - only 4 primary 'fingers'

 

[tconzemi]

the fine barring just visible in the flight feathers suggests Common Buzzard

 

[Butty]

only 4 primary 'fingers'

5 (pic 2). But I'd considerate it unsafe to count them at this oblique angle - unless you take the number you count as being a minimum.

 

[CARERY]

the fine barring just visible in the flight feathers suggests Common Buzzard

This would exclude Osprey? Anyway, the quality of the photo is good enough to guess the number of secondaries imo, which is more like 20 (Osprey) than like 15 (Buzzard). @Butty, I even would be as bold to insist that there are only 4 fingers, because in sum I count 10 primaries .

Osprey (Pandion haliaetus) - Feathers on featherbase.info
Common Buzzard (Buteo buteo) - Feathers on featherbase.info

 

[tconzemi]

Deceptive angle for sure
What about the yellow bill base?

 

[CARERY]

Deceptive angle for sure
What about the yellow bill base?

Wouldn't be too sure that this is real and not an artefact...

 

[Butty]

I . . . insist that there are only 4 fingers

So, given that there are clearly 5 fingery-type things visible and that it's impossible to see presence/absence of emargination, back we go (again) to defining what a 'finger' is 🤔☹️
The 'yellow' bill-base is absolutely not reliably real.

 

[KenM]

I’m not seeing any yellow at the bill base.😮
All I’d say is, that whether it’s a photo “angle thing”or not is that it does look extremely long-winged….don’t know why people put up such ambiguous images🤣

 

[Tib78]

Deceptive angle for sure
What about the yellow bill base?

It’s the white chin/throat, Tom.
It’s an Osprey all right.

 

[xrxss15]

Thanks a lot for all your insight!

 

[Rotherbirder]

Wings proportionately too long for CB; Osprey for me too.

RB