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PAUL A has just phoned me from the Flashes, he is off for a pint so asked me to update for him.
Flashes - this evening
Ringed Plover 4, ruff, common sand 1, green sand 4, lapwing 70+, B :)
this could be the start of something hopefully Saturday will be the day.
 
One of the stalwarts of UW will be on site tomorrow.
The original sponsor of Hen's Pool.
If anyone wants to renew acquaintance or meet Chris Roe, he'll be on site from about 0830.

Say hello from me
and ask him if he could buy a couple of fields around the site, just for old times sake 8-P:-O
 
One of the stalwarts of UW will be on site tomorrow.
The original sponsor of Hen's Pool.
If anyone wants to renew acquaintance or meet Chris Roe, he'll be on site from about 0830.

Which pool belongs to a hen? Your use of apostrophes rivals one of the Black Country's finest! :eek!:
 
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We left the Flashes at approx 19:55. Left note in book referring to Ringed Plover 4; Ruff 2; Common Sand 2; Green Sand 8+. Missed off the Dunlin 1; Common Terns 2. There were 15 Curlew when we left also.

Pictures from both of us to follow.
 
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Ruff & Dunlin

Had difficulty believing we had two ruff! Phil followed one whilst I followed the other simultaneously - just to make sure they weren't Olympic athletes!

(1) was with the gulls on the far mud by the 'tree' posts;
(2) was on the shingle section near the LH plover cage.

(3) the dunlin had been asleep on the ground pretending to be a pebble, but woke up and began to wander.

(4) ruff from far shore (I think) nipped into the picture unexpectedly!
 

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Three adult ringed plovers and one juvenile. Very much a group.
(They look a lot better on my tele:-O)
 

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I thought I knew what I photographing. Now I'm not so sure!
Very soft colouring, possibly slightly more cream than buff chest.
Moors west hide LH window.

Any thoughts on ID please?
 

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Which pool belongs to a hen? Your use of apostrophes rivals one of the Black Country's finest! :eek!:

Quite correct, Sir!
But I don't claim to have been a professional proof reader, aeronautical engineer or a hedge layer in my past life! :eek!:
 
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I would be putting my tuppence on Garden Warbler.

Interestingly there were movements of Ruff and Ringed Plover elsewhere in the West Mids yesterday - 5 of the former at Middleton and 19 of the latter through Belvide. Hope someone is on watch today.
 
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8 species of wader at Flashes so far this morning:

LRP (1 juv)
Ringed Plover (2)
Ruff (1 Juv)
Dunlin (1 juv)
Green Sand (8)
Common Sand (2)
Curlew (20)
Lapwing (c100 before sent up by peregrine)
 
Ruff & Dunlin

Had difficulty believing we had two ruff! Phil followed one whilst I followed the other simultaneously - just to make sure they weren't Olympic athletes!

(1) was with the gulls on the far mud by the 'tree' posts;
(2) was on the shingle section near the LH plover cage.

(3) the dunlin had been asleep on the ground pretending to be a pebble, but woke up and began to wander.

(4) ruff from far shore (I think) nipped into the picture unexpectedly!

The second Ruff has just shown itself. It is a bigger bird than the other one. A juv male perhaps?
 
Can you stay there all day please Andy - gets warm and humid before it starts to rain at around 3pm - on paper it looks very interesting.

PS Any report from your visit to the Shark Pit y'day Laurie?
 
Spent a nice couple of hours at the Mecca this morning in the company of Chris Roe. We managed to connect with the Willow Tit too, which was a nice bonus. Here are a couple of record shots...
 

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Yesterday's Visit

Very few people around when we arrived on the Moors early p.m. Only 4 cars in the car park aand only the concrete hide occupied seemingly.
From the East Hide everything seemed very quiet -all the birds lazing or sleeping. Tried hard to find a med gull amongst the BHGs; Barnacles amongst the Canadas and White Fronts amongst the Greylags. No luck there:-C

Notable were the 2 more mature GCGs with parents and 2 young LGs in the weed in front of the hide.Quite a number of male Mallard in various states of change but the Teal stood out with their bright green patches.

At the Causeway end the nesting GCG sat defending itself fom the odd passing bird. A sad story. A Cormorant sat on one side and a Heron on the other.
Three Cormorants noted; one adult and two juveniles. 4 Herons noted across the site and a Buzzard put up the gulls at one point.

I did think about counting the Coots, the BHGs and the Tufteds. A SERIOUS question - how do you count large numbers of birds. Please don't say 1,2,3....8-P

Went over over to the West Hide. Notable viewings there - the GCG parents with their two "convict stripe" children. A Tern adult then reappeared on the other side with a fish, having done spectactular aerobatics and sat on the occupied raft (1 occ. and viewed from West Hide.) It did nothing with the fish for so long I gave up watching!

The 2 baby Moorhen showed well with their parents. Always looked at Moorhens as Black - silly me - amazing colours. No sign of any water rail though:-C
Lots of activity on the feeders - beautifully scrubbed up Reed Buntings and the usual common birds. No tick list birds today.;)
Then off to the Flashes. All in all a good visit - beautiful light and quite a lot to see despite it being "quiet"
Good to meet the chap in the East Hide again. One day we'll perhaps remember to introduce each other.

Pic 1 GCG nest
Pic2 Adult Cormorant
Pic # Juv. Cormorant
 

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Flashes yesterday

Arrived at Outdoor Centre carpark about 5.50pm. Even they had all gone home. One car in car park, presumably person we met in the upstairs of New hide when we finally got there.
Hen Brook hide deserted and only bird sounds coming from the reeds.
Cuckoo Hide likewise. A few common birds on the feeders. Flashes from this point looked quite empty but could begin to pick out various Sands, Lapwing Stock Doves , calling Curlew and the usual BHG.
Margaret has already detailed the other birds we found when we arrived at the New Hide. Only one person there who left shortly after. Very quiet downstairs!
Gulls put up at one point by a passing B of P. Curlews mainly hid in the grass by the sewage works and once went for a fly around of their own accord, returning almost invisibly whilst we were sorting Ruffs.

Follow on comment re counting birds. When a flock of birds fly across at an angle its difficult sometimes to take a pic, let alone count them. Three times at least a large flight of Canada flew over from the direction of the Moors. Was it the same lot circling a number of times and not landing or three lots all of whom flew on. How do you record that or don't you?

On the way back to the car park we neither saw nor heard anyone. Impressed by the way time marches on and the nights draw in. Sun setting and only 8 pm. Soon be able to buy the Xmas decorations at that well known emporium across the road!

Intriqued by the way the fencing will work, including the new gate. Considering what birds we saw and found, people should remember that once the work stops for the day, the birds creep back back in, or in some cases never left. Well worth the visit.
 
The importance of counting and recording

A SERIOUS question - how do you count large numbers of birds. Please don't say 1,2,3....8-P
Phil first of all many thanks to you and Margaret for taking time out to do counts and note your sightings. I know you both spend a good time and thoroughly check out what's about for us all to appreciate.
Over the years we have always counted and recorded the migrant, wintering and breeding species. This has now proved invaluable in evaluating the population trends of all the species recorded on the reserve. It has also helped us monitor the effects of our on going management and habitat creation. We now have the information to target declining species and enhance specific habitat to buck the trend or encourage lost species to return. Without 30 years of intense monitoring, we could only guess at what species are benefiting and what species are in need of our help.
Now to the crux, how I count:
As you know I always count everything, but there is also another reason for doing so. That is trying to find something unusual, as well as for already mentioned reason.
Last year while counting coot , I came across a common scoter asleep amongst them. The other 'carrying' species are BHG's (for Meds and other gulls), lapwing (golden plover), diving duck (scaup) and even finch, pipits and thrush flocks can have their rarities attached to them, in other words check everything. It also adds another dimension to your birding experience. To actually witness migration in the 'raw', by counting and understanding the whole concept of migration and how even our small plot of land in the middle of the country plays it part in this process.

There are different ways to count and you have to apply different methods for different species.
For example: Coot in winter can vary from year to year depending on weather conditions, with their numbers augmented by European migrants.
How do I count them: I scan the moors pool from one end to the other (north to south). Starting with a Bins (binocluars) width, moving up and down within that width. I count in groups of 5 and move my bins every 10 seconds (as they dive for no longer than that), I then move to the next bins width and so on along the length of the pool. Once I have reached the end of the pool I retrace my tracks and count again. When I have counted the same number 3 times - that's the total.
With diving ducks, I spend more time on each 'bins width' as they dive for longer.
When large numbers of BHG roost at the Flashes, I count in blocks of 50 and extrapolate that across the roost, as they tend to roost evenly across the site. This method can also be applied to lapwing during winter. But generally I count them in 5's moving my bins up and down as I scan across.
With practise and experience estimates can be quite accurate and it is always worth testing yourself first, with an estimate, followed by an accurate count. In flight, large flocks are more difficult but again counting in 5's or 10's is easier than individually counting, although a camera would be the best method.:t:
Whichever way, getting as accurate a count as possible is more beneficial than a wild guess.
So hopefully I have convinced you, how important counting and recording is to the future well-being of the reserve.B :)John
 
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