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New Product Introduction Today From Swarovski ? (1 Viewer)

That is OK! I agree with you about the weight and price of the new NL. I am with Herman in that I am using lighter binocular's now and prefer to keep them 32mm and under. I also agree with Chosun in that I am surprised binocular manufacturer's don't use carbon fiber more in their top binocular's for weight reduction. I will probably wait for the 8x32 NL which should be around 20 oz., have a 520 foot FOV and sell for a more affordable $2600.00:eek!: or look at the new Zeiss 8x32 SF when it come's out. I find the 8x32's, 8x30's and for pocket use even the 8x25's are all you need most of the time in the daytime and I sure like carrying them a lot better in the field!

Yep, I'm in the same boat now only using lighter and smaller binos.
My birding is more casual anyway and as I get older I really appreciate the lighter weight. I'm down to just the lowly original CL 8x30 with its narrow FOV and relatively 'soft' image, but I really enjoy it; I especially like the colors. I sold the FL .... again. It will just be the CL indefinitely. The CL is just fine for me and I don't see anything else I would be interested in anyway. I would love to have the Ultravid HD+ 8x32 but 13.3 ER isn't enough unfortunately.
I still feel Ultravid is my all time favorite binocular model.
 
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SWAROVSKI HAVE ADMITTED THAT IMAGE STABILISATION IS NECESSARY EVEN FOR 8X AND 10X BINOCULARS
Stan

That is pushing it in terms of interpretation. I see the forehead rest as more of a viewing comfort aid rather than a power / energy supported system - no circuitry, wires etc. You could go back further then to suggest and argue that the much maligned Finnstick was IS!
 
Yep, I'm in the same boat now only using lighter and smaller binos.
My birding is more casual anyway and as I get older I really appreciate the lighter weight. I'm down to just the lowly original CL 8x30 with its narrow FOV and relatively 'soft' image, but I really enjoy it; I especially like the colors. I sold the FL .... again. It will just be the CL indefinitely. The CL is just fine for me and I don't see anything else I would be interested in anyway. I would love to have the Ultravid HD+ 8x32 but 13.3 ER isn't enough unfortunately.
I still feel Ultravid is my all time favorite binocular model.

I have been testing out an Ultravid and am disappointed in the clunkiness of the focus wheel. I wonder if this is a bad copy. The Trinovid had a superb focus wheel. But Like others, the 32 as we age is more appropriate. I wonder why Swaro or others don't see that as like it or not, the population of birders is 'aging' ...not getting younger. So why not have the 32mm NL for Swaro ?
 
Yep, I'm in the same boat now only using lighter and smaller binos.
My birding is more casual anyway and as I get older I really appreciate the lighter weight. I'm down to just the lowly original CL 8x30 with its narrow FOV and relatively 'soft' image, but I really enjoy it; I especially like the colors. I sold the FL .... again. It will just be the CL indefinitely. The CL is just fine for me and I don't see anything else I would be interested in anyway. I would love to have the Ultravid HD+ 8x32 but 13.3 ER isn't enough unfortunately.
I still feel Ultravid is my all time favorite binocular model.
Ye gods GiGi !!
I must have been on another planet !!!
What on earth happened to the 8x32 FL ?! I thought that was the one ..... ? :cat:






Chosun :gh:
 
See the pic. SF on the right, EL on the left, see the prisms are rotated in SF so that the bigger one is on top, nearest to the eyepieces.

Lee

Hi Lee,

The prism arrangement in the SF was not an innovation. If you look at old cutaways you'll find that both prism arrangements have been used by various brands in Schmidt-Pechen binoculars for decades. The Zeiss 8x30 and 10x40 Dialyts and the 8/10x32 FLs used the same Schmidt prism followed by Semi-pentaprism as the SF as did the original Leica Trinovid and Ultravid and others. The only new thing I see in the NL is that the body is sculpted to closely follow the prism shape.

Henry
 
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Swaro always seemed to inovate new designs and others seemed mimick their designs;
EL with its open bridge design and all the copy cats followed. Even the original CL at the time with its relatively
thin bridge had a bunch of copy cats follow. Old SLC had a front focuser but not too many followed that.
I'm unsure if that was an original design by Swaro at that time.

Rotating the prisms to make the hourglass shape IS innovative and Swaro-like.
So kudos to them for thinking outside the box with ergonomic design again.
I'm not sure I like it yet but it is original.
However the bit of copying from SF seems un-Swaro like.

To be fair, Swarovski have listened directly to the experts here !

After some nice progressions were made (and a few close but no cigars) with the SF, Swarovski didn't have too much option but to out-Dobler Dobler ......
Swaro's extra-wide field is going to be nigh on impossible to top now.

The only hope the boys and gals in Blue have is to swallow their pride and ditch all the hairy chested magnesium H@^T*# stuff, and upgrade their plastic with CFRP ......

At this stage, I could be quite happy with a full size alpha of Nikon MHG weight (660gms) or less ........

When these things are the price of a small car, I don't think it's too much to ask to use cutting edge materials ....










Chosun :gh:
 
I have been testing out an Ultravid and am disappointed in the clunkiness of the focus wheel. I wonder if this is a bad copy. The Trinovid had a superb focus wheel. But Like others, the 32 as we age is more appropriate. I wonder why Swaro or others don't see that as like it or not, the population of birders is 'aging' ...not getting younger. So why not have the 32mm NL for Swaro ?

My Ultravid HD+ 7x42 had a super smooth focus. No issues and not clunky at all. Perhaps try another 8x32 HD+. The Plus version supposedly has improved focus.
 
Ye gods GiGi !!
I must have been on another planet !!!
What on earth happened to the 8x32 FL ?! I thought that was the one ..... ? :cat:






Chosun :gh:

lol ... after using both for a few months, I found I wanted to keep using the CL each time I went out. The FL is superior optically and focus is faster and a bit nicer, but I just enjoyed the CL more for its ergonomics, lighter weight and especially its colors. I realized I didn't need the FL and wasn't going to use it nearly as much.
 
Very impressive product, if the specifications are anything to go by. They're well out of my price range, but I'm sure plenty of folk who can't or won't buy them will be just as interested in observations/reviews from the field. Which should hopefully be not long in coming...

A few thoughts:

Pricing - it's interesting that Swarovski have, instead of trying to compete in the sub-alpha market, gone for what could be called the tier above (uber-alpha?). That does make sense in its own way, as the tier below the current alphas seems very competitive, with no shortage of really good products. Competing at the quality/price point of the Conquest etc. without taking production out of Austria would likely be very difficult. Now whether there are enough buyers for products with above-alpha performance, and prices, is harder to say. But no doubt similar things were said when Zeiss FLs first entered the market, and again when list prices went over the £2000 mark.

Optically - we'll need more observations to see if the three models perform as well in the field as they do on spec. At that price they certainly ought to! It's seemed clear for some time that since edge performance has been improved to such an extent, field of view was the obvious next step. Field of view has always been a prized quality in binoculars (there's no way the SARD 6x42 would be so desired if its field of view was more average, for instance) and although I can't speak for others, is a real advantage for the birding I do, allowing wider areas to be scanned more quickly, and making it easier to capture rapid motion. I fully agree with temmie's observations in post #198. Being able to see more is almost always an advantage. Widening FOV while offering adequate eye relief, and doing so in a hand-holdable package (ie. not the size of something like the Nikon WX) are pretty stiff design requirements and I find it pretty impressive that recent binocular designs eg. the SFs, the Kowa 6.5x32 and now the NLs, have managed this.

The "no edges" thing is, I would guess, a reference to the field stop being a very long way out from the center thanks to the very wide FOV, and becoming less discernible. I've noticed a similar effect when looking through the 10x50 WX, but interestingly not when using my Swift #766, which is one of those old extra-wide-field binoculars mentioned further up-thread - a good product in its day and one I still enjoy using, but one in which distinct compromises had to be made in order to achieve that field of view.

Other features - the focuser position/rearward balance of the SF were good ideas that other companies were always going to emulate (as happened with the EL open-bridge design). The forehead rest detracts from the binocular's lines (as straps and rainguards do, which is why they are absent in many promotional/catalogue photos), but I can see it working quite well. Getting a really stable connection to the binocular is really important in mitigating shake/wobble - I have often thought planting the rubber eyecups of my old 12x50B solidly into my sockets was more stable than placing longer eye relief binoculars on my (lightweight, rimless) glasses - and the headrest should help achieve this. I'd be very surprised if the improvement came close to the image stabilization systems of eg. Canon IS binoculars, but it should still make a difference, especially with the 12x42 (which is a somewhat unusual format, but not totally unheard of - cf Nikon's 12x40 E series). It wouldn't be a total surprise if similar accessories that fit other binoculars became available.

All in all - it seems like Swarovski have brought a really superb binocular to the market, albeit at a correspondingly high price. Well done to them. They are not remotely within my budget, but that doesn't take away from their qualities. Let's not forget that those who (like me) can't justify buying absolute top end product already have some superb binoculars to choose from. There's probably never been a better time to buy a new EL!
 
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That is pushing it in terms of interpretation. I see the forehead rest as more of a viewing comfort aid rather than a power / energy supported system - no circuitry, wires etc. You could go back further then to suggest and argue that the much maligned Finnstick was IS!

Image stabilisation can be anything that provides you with a more stable image, be it Finnstick, electronics, gyros or additional support to the arms such as the Swarovski forehead rest. Some people even hang on to a cap peak to achieve some stabilisation. I still think that it would be difficult to put an electronic system in a roof binocular and the closest Swarovski could achieve is the forehead rest.

If you take the forehead rest literally, why do you need to rest the forehead. It's obviously needed to rest the binocular on the forehead and if it's not for stabilisation, what is it there for.

Stan
 
SLC remains on the 10% reduction that was introduced earlier but the 42mm models are marked as "While stocks last" on the latest price list.
I would be surprised if SLC 42 is being discontinued. Can anyone confirm?

But if I ever buy another binocular, it will probably be a 10x42 with lots of eye relief, a wide FOV, a snappy, quick focuser and good ergonomics.
We don't know that yet, do we. This may decide whether Swaro sees the NL as (primarily) a birding binocular... I'm guessing not, more like SLC instead.

I'm glad to see the NL. I've been saying for some time that I want wider FOV and am willing to accept greater size/weight to get it... now we have SF and NL. I do wonder whether NL 32 is planned....
 
lol ... after using both for a few months, I found I wanted to keep using the CL each time I went out. The FL is superior optically and focus is faster and a bit nicer, but I just enjoyed the CL more for its ergonomics, lighter weight and especially its colors. I realized I didn't need the FL and wasn't going to use it nearly as much.
Don't lament, Beth! I am packing a CL 8x30 myself now. I got tired of the weight of the EDG's and the FL's despite their excellent optic's and Nikon couldn't even send me a replacement strap for my EDG so I went back to ALL Swaro's. i like the ergonomic's, color and contrast and especially the weight of the CL also. It has better contrast than a lot of the alpha's and very easy eye placement for a 30mm with the optical tube technology. I also like to have a 10x so I picked up the CL 10x30 and it surprised me how good it is. For pocket use I have a Swaro CL Pocket in 8x25 and 10x25. Then I know I have complained about the glare in the SV 8x32 but I couldn't resist the $1550.00 price for a new one on Ebay so I fell for it again. Back to five Swaro's for now.
 
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Yeah, not sure I see another 42mm in the future. I take A 32mm nearly every time. 25mm on the other hand is just too small. 30-32mm is probably where I'll stay.

I use the hat trick all the time but I never gave it a thought. Maybe the forehead rest makes a bit of sense??

I'll just stick with a ball cap anyway. Cuts the glare.
 
I would be surprised if SLC 42 is being discontinued. Can anyone confirm?


We don't know that yet, do we. This may decide whether Swaro sees the NL as (primarily) a birding binocular... I'm guessing not, more like SLC instead.

I'm glad to see the NL. I've been saying for some time that I want wider FOV and am willing to accept greater size/weight to get it... now we have SF and NL. I do wonder whether NL 32 is planned....

Normally, after a price reduction, the new model will be launched but I think in the SLC case COVID is responsible for a delay of one year.
According to the NL introduction on Tuesday, it has a fast focus.

Jan
 
Don't lament, Beth! I am packing a CL 8x30 myself now. I got tired of the weight of the EDG's and the FL's despite their excellent optic's and Nikon couldn't even send me a replacement strap for my EDG so I went back to ALL Swaro's. i like the ergonomic's, color and contrast and especially the weight of the CL also. It has better contrast than a lot of the alpha's and very easy eye placement for a 30mm with the optical tube technology. I also like to have a 10x so I picked up the CL 10x30 and it surprised me how good it is. For pocket use I have a Swaro CL Pocket in 8x25 and 10x25. Then I know I have complained about the glare in the SV 8x32 but I couldn't resist the $1550.00 price for a new one on Ebay so I fell for it again. Back to five Swaro's for now.

I assume you have the newer CL b which are very nice indeed. The one I tried briefly had a nice precise focus and practically the same ergonomic feel as the original. I don't feel any need to go up from the original even though some things may be a little better in the new one. I've spent too much money on binoculars over the years and it's time to stop and be satisfied with what I have.

I always wanted to try the EDG 8x32 just out of curiosity since I read it's sort of a Japanese Ultravid and does a couple things even better, but they are pretty big for 32mm.
 
Is it possible that the head rest is actually the most significant innovation here?

Optimistically, it may be an IS alternative with no batteries and no moving parts.
Even though I've been a total IS convert since 2008, I'm very much looking forward to seeing this in the flesh and field testing it. If the head rest really allows more effective stabilization, it would be a game changer. Presumably Swaro has already patented it, so the idea can't be knocked off by the other alphas.

If you use MOLCET technique (bracing against the brow), you have the same advantage, minus extra cost, equipment and weight.
 
Don't lament, Beth! I am packing a CL 8x30 myself now. I got tired of the weight of the EDG's and the FL's despite their excellent optic's and Nikon couldn't even send me a replacement strap for my EDG so I went back to ALL Swaro's. i like the ergonomic's, color and contrast and especially the weight of the CL also. It has better contrast than a lot of the alpha's and very easy eye placement for a 30mm with the optical tube technology. I also like to have a 10x so I picked up the CL 10x30 and it surprised me how good it is. For pocket use I have a Swaro CL Pocket in 8x25 and 10x25. Then I know I have complained about the glare in the SV 8x32 but I couldn't resist the $1550.00 price for a new one on Ebay so I fell for it again. Back to five Swaro's for now.

You crack me up😆
 
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