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  1. joekroex

    Cuvier's Colaris

    Thanks, Laurent, that is very useful. Of course, I have this down as "1817 [1816]", but quoted the wrong date. Ah, that's great. Exactly the impression I had from the accounts without reading the Preface. I'll stick with Coracias.
  2. joekroex

    Cuvier's Colaris

    Indeed, thanks for pointing this out.
  3. joekroex

    Cuvier's Colaris

    Among the synonyms for Rollers/Dollarbirds, Colaris Cuvier (Le Règne animal, 1917, i: 401) occurs regularly. In Cuvier this is presented as "Les Rolles. (Collaris. Cuv.)" with a brief description and a note reference (3). The note then mentions only Coracias species (3 to be precise: orientalis...
  4. joekroex

    HBW Alive transition

    Glad to hear there is room for negotiation, James, and you are indeed owner of your own works of labour, i.e. copyright. Good luck.
  5. joekroex

    Swahili Sparrow

    That's what I thought, but I thought I copy it anyway.
  6. joekroex

    Swahili Sparrow

    To return to the original query, suahelicus will refer to more than just the relatively small strip of land known as the Swahili coast. By the time of the German Ost-Afrika colony, Swahili was established as the main language of the area, especially east and south of Lake Victoria, the area from...
  7. joekroex

    Swahili Sparrow

    Thanks for the message and the pointer, Björn. I did indeed follow James here, albeit still uncritically. First mention of raising suahelicus to species level is indeed in Grant and Mackworth-Praed in BBOC 64 (1944), 36 (see Björn's ref at #7), and I presume they repeat this in Mackworth-Praed...
  8. joekroex

    Yarrell 1830 [Cygnus bewickii]

    The only mention of bewickii in that volume of Isis is in col. 1234 [here], with a reference to the Zoological Journal 5, no. 18 (1830), 189 [here], which is the Blackwall piece, which dates after 7 April 1830.
  9. joekroex

    Yarrell 1830 [Cygnus bewickii]

    Thanks for the BB reference, Mark. Very interesting, but I do still think that not the Transactions LS paper quoted is the first instance of publication but the Philosophical Magazine p. 146 [here], which is a summary of the meeting of 19 Jan. 1830, and which connects Yarrell to Cygnus Bewickii...
  10. joekroex

    Yarrell 1830 [Cygnus bewickii]

    Thanks, Björn, I have seen those papers, it makes for interesting reading. Re the Edinburgh Journal: the Feb. 1830 issue 5 seems to suggest (Richmond card of Anas Cygneus Bewickii, [here]) a completely different author, John and/or Albany Hancock (brothers). Is the name meant to be binomial?
  11. joekroex

    Yarrell 1830 [Cygnus bewickii]

    Thanks, Mark. The Selby article is fascinating but likely not published in 1830, and if so, probably after June, see [here].
  12. joekroex

    Yarrell 1830 [Cygnus bewickii]

    In trying to find the OD for Cygnus bewickii, I stumbled upon a nest of vipers, it seems. The general consensus seems to be that the author is Yarrell, the year 1830. So far so good. But which publication? First the story. A swan was shot on 7 Feb. 1829 near Haydon Bridge, Northumberland, UK...
  13. joekroex

    Blyth's Mr. Webb

    Sorry for the mix-up on the OD. I extrapolated the Blyth-discolor-Webb link from Dickinson et al. (here at n37), where they think it highly likely Blyth's discolor was collected by Webb.
  14. joekroex

    Blyth's Mr. Webb

    I believe we are dealing with two different Webbs here. The one I referred to in the initial post I came across while looking at the OD of Certhia discolor Blyth, 1845, from Darjeeling, and I wondered who this Mr. Webb was. Searching for Blyth and Webb, I came across the Catalogue of the Birds...
  15. joekroex

    Blyth's Mr. Webb

    The elusive Mr. Webb, who sent numerous specimens of to be newly described birds from (mostly) Darjeeling, seems to have gone by the initial G. The Key, under webbiana/webbianus seems to suggest it is a Mr. J. Webb. The OD for the quote, which deals with Suthora webbiana (= Sinosuthora webbiana...
  16. joekroex

    Accentor atragularis and A. atrogularis

    After pointing out another difference between the two documents, Laurent postulates: This makes a lot of sense, Laurent. I had thought along a similar line, though it is still a mystery; perhaps atragularis was a printer's error, corrected after a first print run? Still, there is nothing...
  17. joekroex

    Accentor atragularis and A. atrogularis

    [Moved from the Etymology Forum] Looking for the OD of Prunella atrogularis (Brandt) 1843, I easily found 'Remarques sur trois espèces nouvelles d'oiseaux chanteurs appartenant aux genres Saxicola et Accentor', Bulletin de la Classe physico-mathématique de l'Académie impériale des sciences de...
  18. joekroex

    The mystery of melba

    I was mistaken. I was basically trying to rehash the ideas that have been discussed here before. What I did find though was that apart from Pytilia and Tachymarptis, melba has been used for: a bee: Andrena melba OD: K. Warncke. 'Beitrag zur Kenntnis der Bienengattung Andrena F. im Kaukasus...
  19. joekroex

    The mystery of melba

    I have no way of backing this up with etymological documentation, but I have a feeling melba used to be a more common colour description for a combination of brown and white. Laurent and Björn have already taken to looking at the descriptions of (sub)species called melba, and I think they do...
  20. joekroex

    The mystery of melba

    Re Eigenhuis as mentioned by Björn (#1 above) in his quote from the Key: in the etymological dictionary of Dutch bird names (Verklarend en etymologisch woordenboek van de nederlandse vogelnamen, 2004), Eigenhuis et al. added 'hoewel de combinatie van Lat en Gr in één naam niet gebruikelijk is'...
  21. joekroex

    Severtsov 1879 on 'Accentor rufilatus'

    I know, sorry Björn, it should have gone in thread #322234. Note to self: must try harder to find the appropriate thread/forum.
  22. joekroex

    Severtsov 1879 on 'Accentor rufilatus'

    Thanks, Laurent, for your very helpful comments. After a lot of searching I had found what I thought to be a fuller title of the periodical in a Kazakh e-publication, still with abbreviations, of which I could detect a few. To have the title in full is great.
  23. joekroex

    Severtsov 1879 on 'Accentor rufilatus'

    Thanks, Jan, for your reply. I am aware of that one: 'Вертикальное и горизонтальное распределение Туркестанских животных' [Vertical and horizontal distribution of Turkestan fauna], Известия Императорском общества любителей естествознания, антропологии и этнографии [News of the Imperial Society...
  24. joekroex

    Severtsov 1879 on 'Accentor rufilatus'

    Prunella collaris rufilata was described by Severtsov in 1879 as Accentor rufilatus, in a very difficult to find document: 'Новые виды туркестанских птиц' [New Species of Turkestan Birds], Залиски Туркестан отдел Ова любит, естествознание, антропология и этнографии [Notes from the Turkestan...
  25. joekroex

    HBWAlive Key; mission accomplished or mission impossible?

    I have been trying to think laterally about this, to move away from Lidia/Lidie as a name. I looked at anagrams (adieu li); I followed Mulsant's publications, and found (as I know next to nothing about hummingbirds) through the index of plates of his Histoire naturelle des oiseaux-mouches that...
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