Emberiza ID in Algeria (1 Viewer)

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jynxtorquilla

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• Nov 3, 2016

• #1

Dear all,

Could you plz help me identifying this Emberiza.

Is it an E. cirlus or E. citrinella?

Thanks for your answer

Imad

 

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lou salomon

the birdonist

• Nov 3, 2016

• #2

female cirl bunting, head pattern and rufous lower scapulars.

 

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Sangahyando

Well-known member

• Nov 3, 2016

• #3

What about the red rump? Surely that's more indicative of Yellowhammer?

 

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Simon Wates

Well-known member

• Nov 3, 2016

• #4

Agree with Cirl for the points that Lou mentions - rump does look remarkably rufous but bearing in mind Yellowhammer is a major rarity in Algeria, it could even be a first if it was one.....?

 

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lou salomon

the birdonist

• Nov 3, 2016

• #5

rump is grey but these are uppertail coverts which can be rusty in cirl bunting.
you actually can see part of its greenish-greyish rump above the crossing of the wings.

 

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jynxtorquilla

Well-known member

• Nov 4, 2016

• #6

Reddish rump, pale patch on nape and diffuse streaks on flank make it a Yellowhammer for me. That is why I was confused beside that the species is very rarely seen in north Africa but there were some records in Morocco for instance.
Thanks

 

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alazzo

Member

• Nov 4, 2016

• #7

Yellowhammer.

 

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Simon Wates

Well-known member

• Nov 4, 2016

• #8

On a close look at this bird, (which is interesting!) I'm still convinced with Cirl Bunting - however the uppertail coverts are rich toned and would nomally mean Yellowhammer. If one looks at the rump showing between the tertails it is grey - not showing any of the rufous on the upper tcs. As Lou pointed out the chestnut scapulars are very pro Cirl - diagnostic I think. Also, apart from distinct head pattern the bill shape looks better for Cirl to me - rather heavy and a straighter or slightly convex upper mandible. Not sure of the age/sex of the bird - but think ad. female, though not sure even after reading the docs below :-O:

http://aulaenred.ibercaja.es/wp-content/uploads/445_CirlBuntingEcirlus.pdf

https://aulaenred.ibercaja.es/wp-content/uploads/444_Emberiza_citrinella.pdf


Look at the ad. female Cirl on page 8, the uppertail coverts are distinctly brown toned, not so grey.

 

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Brian J Small

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• Nov 5, 2016

• #9

and the other problem here is the yellow cast to the image - below removed

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Racuuna

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• Nov 5, 2016

• #10

Agree on Cirl bunting.