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Is there any hint in literature that Pedinorhis now belongs to the family Passerellidae instead of Emberizidae?

Olson & McKitrick 1981, hesitantly linked Pedinorhis to Atlapetes and Pipilo, both now in Passerellidae.

Storrs Lovejoy Olson & Mary C. McKitrick, 1981

A New Genus and Species of Emberizine Finch from the Pleistocene Cave Deposits in Puerto Rico (Aves: Passeriformes)

Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 1: [for 1981] 279-283

Free pdf: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream/handle/10088/7089/VZ_125_Pedinorhis.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

The type species is Pedinorhis stirpsarcana Olson & Mary C. McKitrick, 1981.

Fred

Here is one of the main revision studies for the families Passerellidae / Emberizidae. As with several other similar studies fossil taxa are not included.

John Klicka, F. Keith Barker, Kevin J. Burns, Scott M. Lanyon, Irby J. Lovette, Jaime A. Chaves, Robert W. Bryson, Jr. (2014). A comprehensive multilocus assessment of sparrow (Aves: Passerellidae) relationships In: Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 77, p 177–182

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1055790314001535

I'd say it would be a chocker if it is part of Emberizidae rather than Passerellidae, biogeographically! No other breeding emberizids in Americas nowadays.

But OTOH not all the American 'emberizine finches' in the sense of a 1981 classification are now Arremonidae. Some are cardinalids, others thraupids, others calcariids...

Fossil Emberizidae and Passerellidae

gusasp said:

I'd say it would be a chocker if it is part of Emberizidae rather than Passerellidae, biogeographically! No other breeding emberizids in Americas nowadays.

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Not such a big shocker, many fossil have members in places you would not expect, For example the oldest Hummingbirds are not from South or North America, they are from Europe:

Eurotrochilus inexpectatus G. Mayr, 2004 Early Oligocene of Germany; Eurotrochilus noniewiczi Bocheński et Bocheński, 2008. Early Oligocene of Poland; Eurotrochilus sp. Louchart, Tourment, Carrier, Roux et Mourer-Chauviré, 2007. Early Oligocene of France.

But in this case I agree with gusasp. There are some species of the Emberizidae described from Europe:

Emberiza bartkoi Kessler et Hír, 2012. Early Miocene of Hungary

Emberiza pannonica Kessler, 2013. Late Miocene of Hungary

Emberiza polgardiensis Kessler, 2013. Late Miocene of Hungary

Emberiza media Kessler, 2013. Pliocene of Hungary

Emberiza parva Kessler, 2013. Pliocene of Hungary

Emberiza gaspariki Kessler, 2013. Pliocene of Hungay

Emberiza alcoveri Rando, Lopez et Seguí, 1999. Late Pleistocene/Holocene of Tenerife

From South America we also know a species that was described in the Emberizidae, but was compared with Zonotrichia and Junco so it might also be a Passerellidae:

Pampaemberiza olrogi Agnolin, 2007. Middle Pleistocene of Argentina.


Free pdf's

Agnolin, 2007
Un Nuevo Emberizidae del Pleistoceno Inferior-Medio de la Provincia de Buenos Aires, Argentina
https://gredos.usal.es/jspui/bitstream/10366/79879/1/Un_nuevo_Emberizinae_(Aves,_Passeriforme.pdf

Kessler, 2013
Neogene Songbirds (Aves, Passeriformes) from Hungary
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287410379_Neogene_songbirds_Aves_Passeriformes_from_Hungary

Kessler & Hír, 2012
The avifauna in North Hungary during the Miocene Part II
https://www.researchgate.net/public...a_in_North_Hungary_during_the_Miocene_Part_II

J. C. Rando, M. Lopez & B. Seguí, 1999
A New Species of Extinct Flightless Passerine (Emberizidae: Emberiza) from the Canary Islands
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Emberizidae_Emberiza_from_the_Canary_Islands

Fred

Quite true!

l_raty said:

But OTOH not all the American 'emberizine finches' in the sense of a 1981 classification are now Arremonidae. Some are cardinalids, others thraupids, others calcariids...

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Melopyrrha (including the fossil species Melopyrrha latirostris) was transferred from Emberizidae to Thraupidae.

Melanie said:

Melopyrrha (including the fossil species Melopyrrha latirostris) was transferred from Emberizidae to Thraupidae.

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You are right!

I overlooked this one, but here it is:

Melopyrrha latirostris Steadman & Morgan, 1985. Late Pleistocene/Early Holocene from Cayman Brac (Cayman Islands)
David W. Steadman & Gary S. Morgan, 1985
A New Species of Bullfinch (Aves: Emberizinae) from a Late Quaternary Cave Deposit on Cayman Brac, West Indies
Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 98: 544-553

Free pdf: https://www.researchgate.net/application.ClientValidation.html?origPath=/

Fred