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Amazona dufresniana (Shaw, 1812) and others (1 Viewer)

Taphrospilus

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Amazona dufresniana (Shaw, 1812) v.8:pt.1-2 (1812) - General zoology, or Systematic natural history - Biodiversity Heritage Library due to t.2 (1805) - Histoire naturelle des perroquets - Biodiversity Heritage Library and t.2 (1805) - Histoire naturelle des perroquets - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Columba dufresnii Stephens, 1819 v.11:pt.1 (1819) - General zoology, or Systematic natural history - Biodiversity Heritage Library and plate v.11:pt.1 (1819) - General zoology, or Systematic natural history - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Fringilla dufresni Vieillot, 1817 t.12 (1817) - Nouveau dictionnaire d'histoire naturelle - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach, 1863 [Abt.4]:Bd.4 (1862) [Text] - Die vollständigste Naturgeschichte der Vögel - Biodiversity Heritage Library

As I understood Fringilla dufresni and Coccopygia dufresnii are not the same birds. Or am I wrong?

Dufresne's Amazon Amazona dufresniana Shaw, 1812 [Alt. Blue-cheeked Amazon]
Dufresne's Waxbill Coccopygia melanotis Temminck, 1823 [Alt. Swee Waxbill, Yellow-bellied Waxbill; Syn. Estrilda melanotis]
Louis Dufresne (1752–1832) was a French ornithologist and taxidermist and one of the French ornithologist and taxidermist and one of the one of the naturalists on L'Astrolabe's voyage of discovery (1785–1787). This expedition visited Madeira, Tenerife, Trinidad, the coast of Brazil, Cape Horn, the Sandwich Islands (Hawaii) and then to the coast of north-west America and Alaska. Dufresne became a curator at the MNHN, Paris (1793), ), and he continued to travel on behalf of the museum. A claim to fame was popularising arsenic in the preparation of skins (1802), which helped build the greatest collection of bird specimens in the world at that time. His private collection held over 1,600 birds, 800 eggs and hundreds of other specimens and fossils that he sold to the University of Edinburgh (1819). Dufresne was awarded the Legion of Honour (1829). He died of lung disease. A mammal is named after him.

Louis Dufresne (1752-1832) French taxidermist, malacologist, collector (Amazona (ex “Perroquet Dufresne” of Levaillant 1805), syn. Coccopygia melanotis, syn. Estrilda astrild, syn. Streptopelia picturata).

I think it is correct and everthing in accordance with t.2 (1833) - Nouvelles annales du Muséum d'histoire naturelle - Biodiversity Heritage Library and Recherche - Base de données Léonore or https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00033797000203397 or Papers of Louis Dufresne - Archives Hub Louis Dufresne, jefe del laboratorio de Taxidermia del Museo de París.

I am just wondering where he died as I couldn't find any hint in Filae that he died in Paris. He may have been burried there.

Others non birds:
Echinus dufresnii Blainville , 1825 Bulimus dufresnii Leach, 1815 v.2 (1815) - The zoological miscellany - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Cymothoa dufresni Leach, 1818 t. 12 (1818) - Dictionnaire des sciences naturelles - Biodiversity Heritage Library
No idea which mammal may named for him
 
Fringilla dufresni Vieillot, 1817 t.12 (1817) - Nouveau dictionnaire d'histoire naturelle - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach, 1863 [Abt.4]:Bd.4 (1862) [Text] - Die vollständigste Naturgeschichte der Vögel - Biodiversity Heritage Library

As I understood Fringilla dufresni and Coccopygia dufresnii are not the same birds. Or am I wrong?

Reichenbach indicates that they are the same.
53-54. C. Dufresnii (Fring. — VIEILLOT Dict. XII. 181. Enc. 989. Fr. melanotis TEMM. col. 221. 1. [...])
("Fring. —" stands for "Fringilla Dufresnii".)
 
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Fringilla dufresni Vieillot 1817 was rejected as unidentifiable by Traylor in the Peters check-list (in the footnote at v.14 (1968) - Check-list of birds of the world - Biodiversity Heritage Library ). This is why we now use the more recent F. melanotis Temminck 1823 (v.3 (1838) - Nouveau recueil de planches coloriées d'oiseaux - Biodiversity Heritage Library ) for the bird to which this name was traditionally applied.

Reichenbach treated Vieillot's name as a senior synonym of Temminck's name, and his description indicates that the birds he was denoting by this name were what we now call Coccopygia melanotis. Hence the "Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach (not Vieillot)" in the type species statement for Caccopygia, which actually means Coccopygia dufresnii (Vieillot), misidentified by Reichenbach. (This kind of thing is problematic in a type species fixation. "Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach (not Vieillot)" is not a nominal species denoted by an available name, it cannot be a type species.)
 
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(This type of thing is problematic in a type species fixation. "Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach (not Vieillot)" is not a nominal species denoted by an available name, it cannot be a type species.)

Peters check-list, 14: 336 - v.14 (1968) - Check-list of birds of the world - Biodiversity Heritage Library :

Coccopygia Reichenbach, 1862-63, Singvogel, p. 23. Type, by subsequent designation (Sharpe, 1890, Cat. Birds Brit. Mus., 13, p. 305), Coccopygia dufresnii Reichenbach (not Vieillot) = Fringilla melanotis Temminck.

As I already wrote, this is not tenable -- Reichenbach explicitly used Vieillot's name and Sharpe clearly attributed this name to Vieillot when he designated it as the type (Vol 13 (1890) - Catalogue of the Birds in the British Museum - Biodiversity Heritage Library ) : under the standard provisions of the Code, Sharpe's designation makes Fringilla melanotis Vieillot 1817 the type of Coccopygia Reichenbach 1862. Should this designation be valid, as the fate of a genus-group name is to stay with its nominal type species, declaring Fringilla melanotis Vieillot unidentifiable would then have made Coccopygia Reichenbach unidentifiable as well. Under the current Code, Coccopygia could have been preserved, but this would have required the publication of an act, explicitly applying Art. 70.3.2 of the 4th edition of the ICZN, designating Fringilla melanotis Temminck (misidentified by Reichenbach as Fringilla dufresnii Vieillot) as the actual type. (Prior to 2000, the only Code-compliant way to keep using Coccopygia would have been by requesting the designation by the Commission, under its plenary powers, of a type making this possible.)

Fortunately, though, it seems that the PCL was also wrong in identifying Sharpe 1890 as having offered the first designation of a type for Coccopygia.

The type of Coccopygia Reichenbach 1862 appears to be Estrelda quartinia Bonaparte 1850, by designation in : Shelley GE. 1886. A review of the species of the family Ploceidae of the Ethiopian region. Ibis, ser. 5, 4: 301-359.; p. 326; ser.5:v.4=no.13-16 (1886) - Ibis - Biodiversity Heritage Library .

This was before Sharpe 1890, and is unproblematic.
 
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Louis Dufresne was head of the Zoological Laboratories in MNHN, a position held until his death on 11 October 1832. He died after a fever resulting from inflammation of the lungs.
 
In the obituary #1 t.2 (1833) - Nouvelles annales du Muséum d'histoire naturelle - Biodiversity Heritage Library
Not sure if aide-naturaliste is a head of Zoological Laboratories in MNHN
En juin 1793, M. Dufresne oblin au Muséum d'Histoire naturelle, la place d'aide-naturaliste, qu'il a remplie jusqu'à sa mort.
The rest is confirmed there as well:
M. Dufresne a succombé, le 11 octobre 1832, aux accès d'une fievre perinieuse qui s'est déclarée à la suite d'une fluxion de poitrine.

Anyway in Les débuts de Lamarck is the date of death slightly different:
Louis Dufresne, né à Champiers (Somme) avait travaillé avec Vicq d'Azyr et ne comptait pas moins de dix-huit années de pratique; il fut élevé en 1806 au grade de chef des travaux de zoologie et il est demeuré dans cet emploi jusqu'à sa mort survenue le 15 octobre 1832.
 
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