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Bachmans Warbler (1 Viewer)

the bird

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Having had all the up-roar, discussion and the dis-belief on the recent discovery of the 'thought to be extinct' Ivory-billed Woodie-Woodpecker, it has got me thinking about a bird I mentioned in one of my dissertations at University - the Bachmans Warbler.


Having just googled the info on the bird to remind myself how it got in such a quandry, does anybody believe there maybe a chance that this beautiful little bird may still exist?


There seems to be disagreement about the last recorded sighting as well - some say 1965 - 1975, others say 1988, anybody got any accurate evidence?


Also has there ever been a photo taken of this bird, if so where can you find one? All I find is drawings, paintings and a photo of a stuffed specimen - not exactly what I was hoping for.


Cheers

The Bird.
 
the bird said:
that picture almost looks like it was taken yesterday.

If only it was. I'm fairly certain that the Bachman's unfortunately is no longer with us. There is a good account of the bird in the Petersonn guide to Warblers: Always an uncommon bird - Discovered 1832 - Remained almost unknown until 1880's. They think select logging of bottomland forests in late 19thC allowed a growth of habitat for the bird and more frequent encounters with it until c1920 when the woodlands were clear cut and sightings again plummeted. Since the 30's reports are rare with the last undisputed sighting in 1962 at I'On Swamp S. Carolina.

The fact that it wintered almost exclusively on Cuba would make the liklihood of it's survival and avoidance of detection very unlikely I would think. Obviously with the re-discoverey of the Ivory Billed hopes of re-finding these birds are raised again. If any more of the presumed extinct NA birds are still out there my long shot bet however would be on the Eskimo Curlew.

Luke
 
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the bird said:
Cheers CornishExile

so has any of the video evidence been commented up on by the specialists or are we stil awaiting the results??

Nothing said so far that I'm aware of. Like Rasmus said earlier in the year, it's a call the experts will want to be very sure of before they make it.

cheers

ce
 
When I was searching the Web for any information about possible
Ivory-billed Woodpeckers in South Carolina I came accross a reference about a search for Bachman's Warbler.

In the Spring of 2002 an extensive search for Bachman's Warbler was organized by biologists of the US Forest Service and the US Fish and Wildlife Service. It was carried out in the Congaree Swamp National Monument [now Congaree National Park] in South Carolina. No Bachman's Warblers were found. The search was motivated by the reports of a birder from New Jersey in April 2000 and April of 2001. These reports included visual sightings of a female Bachman's Warbler and the hearing of the song of the male Bachman's Warbler in at least 3 separate locations in the Congaree NP.

Reference: http://www.acjv.org/pdf_files/Bachmans Survey.pdf


Dalcio
 
Interesting stuff. It seems that the distribution of Bachman's Warblers was always fairly fluid due to its specific habitat requirements; the aftermath of hurricanes causing new growth areas being a good thing. Thanks for that link dacol.

ce
 
Why is 1962 always quoted as the last sighting,when on the above thread the photos of the Florida bird are dated march 1977,is this just a mistake
 
The Florida bird was initially accepted by the Florida Bird Records Committee and then later reconsidered. Here is a clip from the committee proceedings:

"RC 85-075. Bachman's Warbler, Vermivora bachmanii. 30 March 1977. Lake Washington, west of Melbourne, Brevard Co. This record, accepted by the FOSRC in 1985, is described in Barber (1985). Five photographs and a written analysis, which includes some transcribed opinions of S. D. Ripley and R. F. Pasquier from the National Museum of Natural History, H. M. Stevenson from Florida, and N. K. Johnson and S. F. Bailey from the Museum of Vertebrate Zoology, University of California, Berkeley, were originally submitted to the FOSRC. The original correspondence from the experts, however, is not in the FOSRC file. In addition, Barber and Dan Heathcote, who also saw the Brevard Co. bird, visited the Academy of Natural Sciences, Philadelphia, to study warbler specimens. This identification is particularly intriguing, because the next most recent confirmation of this probably extinct species was in 1962 in South Carolina. In their warbler monograph, Dunn and Garrett (1997) questioned the identification as a Bachman's Warbler. Dunn and Garrett (1997) concluded that this was a female “Golden” Yellow Warbler (D. petechia, petechia group), which is resident in mangroves in southernmost Florida and throughout most of the Caribbean. However, they did not provide reasons for their conclusion. Interestingly, this identification was never considered by either the original observers or the consulted experts. With the recent question of the identity of this bird, the FOSRC decided to re-assess the submission. Along with digital copies of the original photos, the FOSRC had a digital photograph posted to the Internet of three Bachman Warbler specimens from VIREO (Visual Resources of Ornithology), and specimens of Golden Yellow Warblers and North American (aestiva group) Yellow Warblers from the FLMNH and Archbold Biological Station. The photographs of the 1977 bird, none of which is very sharp, show a very drab pale brownish warbler, whitish below with a band of pale yellow across the chest, no wingbars, indistinct yellow edges to the remiges and maybe some coverts. The primary extension appears short. The bill appears to have a slightly curved maxilla. The plumage matches some Bachman's Warblers, but may also approach some female Golden Yellow Warblers, though none of the specimens or photographs we examined show such drab plumage in a spring female. The primary extension of Bachman's Warbler appears long in the VIREO photographs, but the angle of the photographs does not permit an accurate assessment of this character. Unlike Yellow Warblers of the aestiva group, Golden Yellow Warblers have short primary extension. The Brevard Co. bird does not appear to have the pronounced decurved bill typical of Bachman's Warbler, but the observers felt it matched a female specimen at the Academy of Natural Sciences. The Committee felt that it needed more comparative material to overturn a prior FOSRC decision and voted to table the vote."
 
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Because it's a bird forum, and some, like me, enjoy reading anything about birds while drinking our morning coffee?
Exactly, forum means a meeting where ideas and views can be exchanged. Similar to the species, the thread has been dormant for nearly 20 years, hardly throbbing is it?
 
Exactly, forum means a meeting where ideas and views can be exchanged. Similar to the species, the thread has been dormant for nearly 20 years, hardly throbbing is it?
We're on here, no? :LOL:

The truth is, I did not know much about Bachmans... This thread and my recent visit to Cuba (where several species were discussed with local zoologist in our group, including IBW...), caused me to be curious about it. Stumbling on this thread is pure coincidence :p

I suppose it can now go dormant another decade or so...
 
We're on here, no? :LOL:

The truth is, I did not know much about Bachmans... This thread and my recent visit to Cuba (where several species were discussed with local zoologist in our group, including IBW...), caused me to be curious about it. Stumbling on this thread is pure coincidence :p

I suppose it can now go dormant another decade or so...
Fair enough, Cuba must have been wonderful. (y)
 

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