Common Diver? - Norway (1 Viewer)

[maudoc]

Pictures form Norway, Varangerfjord, June 20th, 2009 (yes)

8 years ago I supposed that I was watching a White-billed Diver, but is it a Common Diver, isn't it?

Thank you

 

[Andy Adcock]

Pictures form Norway, Varangerfjord, June 20th, 2009 (yes)

8 years ago I supposed that I was watching a White-billed Diver, but is it a Common Diver, isn't it?

Thank you

Yes it is, note the dark, upper side to the bill (culmen)



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[birdmeister]

Yes it is, note the dark, upper side to the bill (culmen)



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Agreed.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Pictures form Norway, Varangerfjord, June 20th, 2009 (yes)

8 years ago I supposed that I was watching a White-billed Diver, but is it a Common Diver, isn't it?

Thank you

Actually called 'Great Northern Diver' in the UK and as far as I was aware, in Europe too?

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[Nutcracker]

Great Northern Diver (Europe) / Common Loon (N America). No such thing as a "Common Diver"! :-O

 

[Andy Adcock]

Great Northern Diver (Europe) / Common Loon (N America). No such thing as a "Common Diver"! :-O

And herein lies the problem for our European friends!


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[Sangahyando]

Great Northern Diver (Europe) / Common Loon (N America). No such thing as a "Common Diver"! :-O

I think that "compromise" names from bird guides might be to blame. My copy of the Collins guide lists the species as "Great Northern Loon", for some reason...

 

[SteveClifton]

It's not surprising that there is often confusion re naming certain species. Both of my paper copies (old and new) refer to the divers as loons by default (with diver used in brackets) yet the android version of Collins uses the word 'diver' as the default. Go figure...???

We are all in agreement though that this one is Gavia immer?

 

[Rotherbirder]

And herein lies the problem for our European friends!


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Not if Carolus Linnaeus has anything to do with it. The use of taxonomic nomenclature neatly gets around this perceived problem - in most cases!?

RB

 

[Nutcracker]

We are all in agreement though that this one is Gavia immer?

Yep. No changes immernent.

 

[SteveClifton]

Yep. No changes immernent.

Lol...3

 

[maudoc]

Thanks for suggestions!

And YES, I'm so confused! Not just identifying divers, but also giving them a correct English name. 8-P
I'm sorry for the American/English mix. My fault is not due to a guide, it's a my fault.
In my old brain lives a name: "Common Loon"; but remembering the words of an English friend of mine (it's not a loon, it's a diver!), I corrected in Common Diver here.

So I change my notes in Great Northern Diver. Thank You.

And I hope I will have not to ask any info about skua/jaeger (any Parasitic Skua or Arctic Jaeger? or Brunnich's Murre!?? o

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[Andy Adcock]

And I hope I will have not to ask any info about skua/jaeger (any Parasitic Skua or Arctic Jaeger? or Brunnich's Murre!?? o

:t:

I'll be writing to the moderators to demand a ban if you do! :-O:-O:-O

Seriously though, it's is a nuisance to those whose first language is not English but they shouldn't get confused with the American names if using a European guide so it's up to publishers to use the right name?

Either that or we do as Rotherbirder suggests and learn all the scientific names?


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[Nutcracker]

Seriously though, it's is a nuisance to those whose first language is not English but they shouldn't get confused with the American names if using a European guide so it's up to publishers to use the right name?

The problem there is that the Americans spam their names so heavily and widely (e.g. Clements, ebird, etc.), in an attempt to subvert the rest of the world.

 

[Andy Adcock]

The problem there is that the Americans spam their names so heavily and widely (e.g. Clements, ebird, etc.), in an attempt to subvert the rest of the world.

Can't argue with that....


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[Larry Sweetland]

I think Great Northern Diver and Common Loon are both enchanting, evocative names. Long may we use them both B

 

[Mark Lew1s]

I think Great Northern Diver and Common Loon are both enchanting, evocative names. Long may we use them both B

Agree. I was never sure why there was so much spite hurled against american bird names. Great northern diver, common loon, plongeon imbrin, strolaga maggiore - who cares, when we have gavia immer....

 

[Nutcracker]

Agree. I was never sure why there was so much spite hurled against american bird names. Great northern diver, common loon, plongeon imbrin, strolaga maggiore - who cares, when we have gavia immer....

It's because they state them to be the [one and only permissible] English name, as though America owns the English language and is the sole authority on its use. If they accepted reality and called them American language names, a separate language from English names, there wouldn't be much problem.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Agree. I was never sure why there was so much spite hurled against american bird names. Great northern diver, common loon, plongeon imbrin, strolaga maggiore - who cares, when we have gavia immer....

And as you've seen, it can cause confusion and your definition of 'spite' might need some revision.

 

[Birdbrain22]

While the difference in names is somewhat confusing... the real difficulty I am seeing as I am starting to plan for a probable trip to France is not the difference in name, but are they actually different species to add to life list?

Divers/Loons, Gossander/Merganser, the various Scoters, Firecrest/Golden crowned Kinglet,Euro Coot/American Coot, Euro Oystercatcher/American Oystercatcher, Common Sandpiper/Spotted Sandpiper, Black-necked Grebe/Eared Grebe, Grey Plover/Black-bellied Plover, Semipalmated Plover/Ringed Plover... and more examples.