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[Acanthis]

Simply. I was expecting a more elaborate name 😂😂

Simplicity is best but as it contains an eponym it may well have a limited future....

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Simplicity is best but as it contains an eponym it may well have a limited future....

Osef, this fight against eponyms is for you English people 😏

 

[Acanthis]

Osef, this fight against eponyms is for you English people 😏

I am most definitely NOT english!
But I guess you mean English-speaking, and as you are French I'll forgive you😉

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

I am most definitely NOT english!

We are saved of this purge

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

How many species was included in genus Barita Cuvier (1816/1817). He said that his Barita was the same as the Cracticus of Vieillot (1816).

 

[l_raty]

How many species was included in genus Barita Cuvier (1816/1817). He said that his Barita was the same as the Cracticus of Vieillot (1816).

Vieillot 1816a (20 Apr) included no nominal species in his Cracticus (he only cited two vernaculars “Cassican” and “Calybé”). The first subsequent inclusion of nominal species was in Vieillot 1816b : Cracticus varius, C. chalybeus, C. tibicen, C. cyanoleucus, C. ater (syn. tropicus), C. melanoleucus, C. cuneicaudatus, C. streperus.

Cuvier 1816 (2 Dec) included in Barita : Paradisaea viridis, Coracias varia, Coracias tibicen, Corvus graculinus (syn. Coracias strepera), ["et une nouvelle espèce, à queue étagée"].

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Vieillot 1816a (20 Apr) included no nominal species in his Cracticus (he only cited two vernaculars “Cassican” and “Calybé”). The first subsequent inclusion of nominal species was in Vieillot 1816b : Cracticus varius, C. chalybeus, C. tibicen, C. cyanoleucus, C. ater (syn. tropicus), C. melanoleucus, C. cuneicaudatus, C. streperus.

Cuvier 1816 (2 Dec) included in Barita : Paradisaea viridis, Coracias varia, Coracias tibicen, Corvus graculinus (syn. Coracias strepera), ["et une nouvelle espèce, à queue étagée"].

What species do they correspond to today (even if I recognize some) and is it its type species?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Cuvier 1816 (2 Dec) included in Barita : Paradisaea viridis, Coracias varia, Coracias tibicen, Corvus graculinus (syn. Coracias strepera), ["et une nouvelle espèce, à queue étagée"].

I haven't read that version at all

 

[l_raty]

What species do they correspond to today (even if I recognize some) and is it its type species?

On a quick check, as I understand it :

• Vieillot's Cracticus varius is the same as Cuvier's Coracias varia, and is the current Cracticus cassicus
• Vieillot's C. chalybeus is the same as Cuvier's Paradisaea viridis, and is the current Manucodia chalybata
• Vieillot's C. tibicen is the same as Cuvier's Coracias tibicen, and is the current Gymnorhina tibicen
• Vieillot's C. cyanoleucus, is the current Grallina cyanoleuca
• Vieillot's C. ater (syn. tropicus), does not seem clearly identified
• Vieillot's C. melanoleucus is the same as the current Strepera graculina
• Vieillot's C. cuneicaudatus (Cuvier's "nouvelle espèce, à queue étagée" ?), is the same as the current Strepera versicolor
• Vieillot's C. streperus is the same as Cuvier's Corvus graculinus (syn. Coracias strepera), and is the current Strepera graculina

The earliest type designations that I have seen are:

• for Cracticus : Desmarest in Buffon 1828;
• for Barita : Gervais in Guérin 1835 (I do not regard the wording used by Desmarest in Buffon 1828 for Barita as a valid type designation; I guess this could be disputed, however).

In both cases, the type is Coracias varia Gmelin 1788 (a synonym of Ramphastos cassicus Boddaert 1783 ).

 

[l_raty]

I haven't read that version at all

What version did you see, then ?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

What version did you see, then ?

[t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library

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Looks different from your link

 

[l_raty]

Looks different from your link

It is, no doubt. My link is to the first edition, yours is to the third, published 20 years later.

1st ed., 1816 : t.1 (1817) - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library
2nd ed., 1829 : t.1 (1829) - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation, pour servir de base à l'histoire naturelle des animaux et d'introduction à l'anatomie comparée - Biodiversity Heritage Library
3rd ed., 1836 : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

It is, no doubt. My link is to the first edition, yours is to the third, published 20 years later.

1st ed., 1816 : t.1 (1817) - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library
2nd ed., 1829 : t.1 (1829) - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation, pour servir de base à l'histoire naturelle des animaux et d'introduction à l'anatomie comparée - Biodiversity Heritage Library
3rd ed., 1836 : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library

The last two differ little.

 

[l_raty]

The last two differ little.

The 3rd ed was posthumous. I can trace no novelties listed as having been introduced in it, so it may indeed have been (near-)identical to the second ed.
Several new genus-group names were introduced in the second ed -- among which I think only one (Tragopan Cuvier 1829) is in use.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

The 3rd ed was posthumous. I can trace no novelties listed as having been introduced in it, so it may indeed have been (near-)identical to the second ed.
Several new genus-group names were introduced in the second ed -- among which I think only one (Tragopan Cuvier 1829) is in use.

I downloaded an edition with engraved plates but I cannot find the year of publication. The presentation of genera is also different from previous versions

 

[l_raty]

I downloaded an edition with engraved plates but I cannot find the year of publication. The presentation of genera is also different from previous versions

This : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library ?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

This : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library ?

This.

 

[l_raty]

This : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Text] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library ?

This.

It's the Atlas volume that accompanied the volume I linked above.
The same on BHL : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Atlas] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library
The bird portion was published in parts between 1838 and 1843 (Zimmer : v.16:pt.1 (1926) - Catalogue of the Edward E. Ayer Ornithological Library ... - Biodiversity Heritage Library ).

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

It's the Atlas volume that accompanied the volume I link above.
The same on BHL : [t.2] (1836-1849) [Oiseaux Atlas] - Le règne animal distribué d'après son organisation - Biodiversity Heritage Library
It was published in parts between 1838 and 1843 (Zimmer : v.16:pt.1 (1926) - Catalogue of the Edward E. Ayer Ornithological Library ... - Biodiversity Heritage Library ).

Ok 😁