Crossbill ID (1 Viewer)

[coolboy]

Looking through old photos, this crossbill was at glen tanar in May this year, is it a Scottish? Asking locally the consensus was parrot but I wasn’t convinced
Thanks

 

[tconzemi]

Coolboy, please attach dna (if not available at least pic) to your post 8-P

 

[Robert_Young]

Without a sonogram you will struggle to separate scotts and parrot, though yes a picture would help!

 

[coolboy]

Attached

 

[coolboy]

Sorry, back of camera photo and originals never posted as file too large. Others thought parrot but beak doesn’t seem decurved enough and so S on lower mandible but bill seems way too big for common??

 

[Nutcracker]

I'd go for Parrot Crossbill, since at least that exists.

Even with a sonogram, you can't prove 'Scottish Crossbill'; all you can prove is that (if it calls like one) a bird is a '3C call type' bird, but (despite popular treatment) there is no evidence that 3C call type birds are the same as Hartert's Loxia scotica, because Hartert didn't record the calls of his new bird . . . :brains::h?:

 

[coolboy]

Nutcracker, I appreciate what you’ve said and I don’t have a sonogram and the bird didn’t even call. Looking at field guides Parrots seem to have strongly decurved bills and a deep S in their lower mandible and this bird doesn’t seem to have either but does have a far larger bill than common and be intermediate between the two species? I can upload more photos

 

[coolboy]

Another angle