Ecuador - A few unsure birds from Tamandua, Puyo (3 Viewers)

[Liebzi]

A bunch of photos of a few birds I'm unsure of, could be amazing to get confirmed the identifcation if possible.

Picture 1 (121) - Black-banded Woodcreeper. I'm actually pretty sure of this one, becuase of the vertical bars on the belly, but since it is the only observation on this location I better ask another opinion as well.

Picture 2 + 3 (951+921) - Should be a Slaty-capped Flycatcher, especially with the ochre wingbars showing on the second photo. I'm just a bit doubting the headpattern, but poor quality photo is not making the feeling complete I guess.

Picture 4 (741) - Slaty-capped Shrike-vireo - Should be this one, just feeling headpattern is weird for the eastern ssp.

Picture 5 (881) - Bad photo of a presumed White-flanked Antwren. Shoulder, colour of bird and appearence fits white-flanked, but can't see any white tufts on flanks, so started doubting the species.

Picture 6 (801) - Thick-billed Euophonia? Mantle colour is wrong, and seems like it has a yellow rump. But can't get that headpattern and throat to anything else.

Picture 7 + 8 (281 + 301) - Same bird. Indentified as Rufous-tailed Foliage Gleaner back then, but I'm really considering Buff-throated and Montane right now. Just can't put a finger on anything.

Picture 9 - Tawny-breatsed Myobius. Just feel the underparts are not dark tawny enough, could it be one of the other?

Picture 10 - Buff-throated vs Montane Foliage-gleaner. Can it be identified just by this photo? I'm really unsure about the throat-colour

 

[njlarsen]

The euphonia seems to be an immature male thick-bill
Niels

 

[THE_FERN]

Most correct.

The "tawny-breasted" certainly could be. I'm not sure it's certainly identifiable from this image (i.e. compared with the other option: black-tailed)

First foliage-gleaner is rufous-tailed on facial pattern: images suggest rufous-rumped has larger and better defined pale patches

Final foliage-gleaner is Montane on facial pattern. Note the distinctive pattern at the base of the beak (which looks like a juvenile's gape flanges): I think it's just barely visible here
(Antwren is fine)

 

[Liebzi]

Most correct.

The "tawny-breasted" certainly could be. I'm not sure it's certainly identifiable from this image (i.e. compared with the other option: black-tailed)

First foliage-gleaner is rufous-tailed on facial pattern: images suggest rufous-rumped has larger and better defined pale patches

Final foliage-gleaner is Montane on facial pattern. Note the distinctive pattern at the base of the beak (which looks like a juvenile's gape flanges): I think it's just barely visible here
(Antwren is fine)

Related to the Montane Foliage Glener, try to look at this buff-throated: ML204919101 - Ochre-throated Foliage-gleaner (turdinus) - Macaulay Library

This should be the ssp also occurring in Eastern Ecuador. Dosent it seem similar in base of beak appearance? Or am I looking at the wrong thing

 

[THE_FERN]

Related to the Montane Foliage Glener, try to look at this buff-throated: ML204919101 - Ochre-throated Foliage-gleaner (turdinus) - Macaulay Library

This should be the ssp also occurring in Eastern Ecuador. Dosent it seem similar in base of beak appearance? Or am I looking at the wrong thing

Doesn't look similar to me. Look at the base of the beak (where it joins the head). In general, juvenile birds have fleshy flanges here. Montane has something which looks similar, perhaps just extended slightly differently coloured cutting edges to the bill. I see that in your op image

In the image you just linked the bill is much more robust, the face has a cleaner pattern (amongst other things)

 

[Liebzi]

Doesn't look similar to me. Look at the base of the beak (where it joins the head). In general, juvenile birds have fleshy flanges here. Montane has something which looks similar, perhaps just extended slightly differently coloured cutting edges to the bill. I see that in your op image

In the image you just linked the bill is much more robust, the face has a cleaner pattern (amongst other things)

Thanks for going a bit more detailed on it. I see what you mean now!

 

[Liebzi]

Most correct.

The "tawny-breasted" certainly could be. I'm not sure it's certainly identifiable from this image (i.e. compared with the other option: black-tailed)

First foliage-gleaner is rufous-tailed on facial pattern: images suggest rufous-rumped has larger and better defined pale patches

Final foliage-gleaner is Montane on facial pattern. Note the distinctive pattern at the base of the beak (which looks like a juvenile's gape flanges): I think it's just barely visible here
(Antwren is fine)

Looking into the myobius complex, I actually feel this is more likely to be a Black-tailed than Tawny-breasted.

Look at how dark tawny a Tawny-breasted should appear: ML360154401 - Tawny-breasted Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

Black-tailed where the breast colour looks very similar: ML590108301 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library , ML123557261 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library , ML590108291 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

 

[THE_FERN]

Looking into the myobius complex, I actually feel this is more likely to be a Black-tailed than Tawny-breasted.

Look at how dark tawny a Tawny-breasted should appear: ML360154401 - Tawny-breasted Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

Black-tailed where the breast colour looks very similar: ML590108301 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library , ML123557261 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library , ML590108291 - Black-tailed Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

Perhaps but these species are difficult to tell apart. The op image has bright light shining on it making it appear paler than it might. Here's an example which appears lighter (assuming correctly identified):

ML533910381 - Tawny-breasted Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML533910381; © Will Sweet; Pichincha, Ecuador

macaulaylibrary.org

 

[Liebzi]

Perhaps but these species are difficult to tell apart. The op image has bright light shining on it making it appear paler than it might. Here's an example which appears lighter (assuming correctly identified):

ML533910381 - Tawny-breasted Flycatcher - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML533910381; © Will Sweet; Pichincha, Ecuador

macaulaylibrary.org

Yah true, better be safe than sorry. The sunlight is strong. I'm changing it to Myiobius sp.

Btw I dont know if you saw me texting, but did you get a chance to look into this Flycatcher sp on this thread yet? Ecuador - Tanager and Flycatcher

 

[AveryBartels]

Black-tailed and Tawny-breasted Myiobius should not overlap anywhere is my understanding. The former tends to prefer drier, lowland forest types and latter moist, foothill forest that would seem to be the case based on the other species/apparent habitat in this set of pics.

 

[Liebzi]

Black-tailed and Tawny-breasted Myiobius should not overlap anywhere is my understanding. The former tends to prefer drier, lowland forest types and latter moist, foothill forest that would seem to be the case based on the other species/apparent habitat in this set of pics.

Oh I didn't know that, thank you for bringing this to light. Birdsoftheworld is saying tough:
"Across this broad range, the species inhabits the undergrowth in a variety of different forest habitats, including seasonally flooded areas and gallery woodland. The Black-tailed Myiobius occurs to approximately 1400 m"
And since I was in 900 m altitude in this location, I thought both of them could occour. Or at least it is the edge of both of their ranges.