antshrike69
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Ah! I was assuming Diego was talking about adopting the 'Proaves name'. My head hurts.
Ah! I was assuming Diego was talking about adopting the 'Proaves name'. My head hurts.
Just checked Diego's video, but the title has "Endemic XXX Antpitta - Grallaria XXX - Urrao, W Andes (Dusky Starfrontlet Bird Reserve)". How strange!
Interesting also that Birdlife International accepts Grallaria fenwickorum.
Quite some confusion. I guess the English name is not that important, but agree with mjh73 that the Antioquia Antpitta is a fairly elegant solution.
Interesting also that Birdlife International accepts Grallaria fenwickorum.
... Birdlife international nothing has to do with systematics!!
I believe that (even) in the Proaves article, Urrao Antpitta was proposed as the Spanish name (sorry, don't know what it would be in Spanish!)Out of interest, what name is being used in Colombia? (spanish not scientific.....)
Sounds rather harsh Diego. I am not sure any authority (BOU, AOU, SACC, etc) has a monopoly on bird systematics. I did find that the "Birdlife Taxonomic Working Group" (BTWG) sets the standards by which Birdlife takes and implements decisions on bird taxonomy and nomenclature. They are recognised by IUCN and others. You can find more on http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/info/taxonomy
I believe that (even) in the Proaves article, Urrao Antpitta was proposed as the Spanish name (sorry, don't know what it would be in Spanish!)
“It came down to the name,” says Caro. “We needed the name to raise more funds.”
A very sad situation.Hello All,
I think for the sake of the Colombian ornithology, this sensitive topic should be carefully treated by someone who's completely alien to this. As a fellow colleague of neotropical organizations, I would reserve my right to make any comments on this common site, nevertheless pointing out the relevant discovery made by our Colombian colleague, which I congratulate as much as I admire it. When politics get involved in conservation, things could get really dodgy and interests could destroy those common ideals and commitments we are all here for. Please, do bear in mind this relevant matter!
The below has been published on today's issue of journal Aleteo, which brings up a lot more dust to liaise with...
What a shame...!
Byron Palacios
Colombian Government Announces Findings in Investigation into the Collection of Bird Specimens
Saturday 5 March 2011.
There has been a lengthy and exhaustive review by the Colombian regional governmental environmental authority - CORPOURABÁ - into the circumstances surrounding the collection by Diego Carantón of two specimens of Fenwick’s Antpitta (Grallaria fenwickorum) from the Colibrí del Sol Bird Reserve in northwestern Colombia. CORPOURABÁ has now published a report finding that Mr. Carantón had acted illegally in failing to report the collection of bird specimens from ProAves bird reserve. He was also found to have breached ProAves’ internal regulations. A fine of over USD $10,600 has been imposed by CORPOURABÁ as a consequence of Mr. Carantón’s actions.
ProAves cooperated fully with CORPOURABÁ in this investigation. However, unfortunately, ProAves is jointly liable for the fine because they were the employer of Mr. Carantón at the time. This constitutes one of the most serious fines for illegal bird collecting activities in Colombia’s history, highlighting the gravity of the circumstances that threaten this Critically Endangered species.
ProAves has confirmed that it is not against collecting in appropriate circumstances, but that its employees and contractors are obligated to abide by the country’s laws, and must receive approval from ProAves and the appropriate governmental entity before taking specimens from its protected areas. This is an extremely rare and isolated case within the ornithological research community and one that we all hope is not repeated.
Incidentally, on NEOORN yesterday, Van Remsen confirmed that no proposal to add the species has yet been submitted to SACC.Still waiting to see a SACC proposal posted - but maybe the problem is that two have been submitted...?
A very sad situation.
Colombian Government Announces Findings in Investigation into the Collection of Bird Specimens
BTW, you can follow that post at: http://www.proaves.org/article.php?id_article=980 and read a detailed "Response" article published in Conservacion Colombiana clarifying the situation and results of the Colombian government investigation that vindicates ProAves and finds Diego Caraton guilty of illegal bird collecting: http://www.proaves.org/IMG/pdf/CC14/Conservacion_Colombiana_14_12-response_fenwickorum.pdf
1. Abstained to publish? Surely, they could have given the Fenwick name to another species – for instance that new undescribed Megascops in Santa Marta. Carantón would have to face the legal consequences of his actions.
I suppose the answer really lies in the fact that the relationship between ProAves and the Colombian Ornithologists was damaged long before this issue.