more and more info come to the light... just sent this message to NEOORN:
NEOORNers following the antpitta stuff from Colombia: an official communication from Diego Caranton has been published (see below).
http://www.goat.rnoa.org/g_urraoensis/caranton.html
It is only in Spanish so not all could read, but quickly some interesting points (when using "" I am textually citing Diego Caranton text):
* "In our discussions, they [proaves] focused only in stuff like: which is going to be the name of the new species?, who are going to author it?, which would the authorship order will be?, where the paper will be published?, who is going to deal with the communications with the journal?. All these questions became absurd demands from them"
..... NOT AMAZINGLY RARE COMING FROM THEM!
* if there were going to be more than 2 authors Proaves was demanding that the first author should be Alonso Quevedo so the citations resulted in Quevedo et al. showing someone from proaves and not Diego's name that for the time after all this was not going to be affiliated to proaves.
..... AMAZING dirty stuff!..anyways, NOT AMAZINGLY RARE COMING FROM THEM!
* they also demanded that proaves authors should exceed the non-proaves ones.. so they suggested including Sara Ines Lara even though she had done NOTHING about all this process...
.... again, NOT RARE unethical demands and offers!...
* "I have to highlight that Mr. Paez [proaves Research Director] was never OK about his name being included in the author line, but proaves directors board considered that Mr. Paez as research director should be included [against his will!] as a mere working duty"
..... WOW!!!
and maybe one of the most important points (and VERY enlightening for me!) in all this text by Diego Caranton is this part: "Considering that proaves and the ACO (Asociacion Colombiana de Ornitologia) have presented different versions about what happened with the THE CONDOR submission, here I am publishing the official letter from The Condor editor Michael Patten, describing the official position of that journal about all events".... this is in English, so PLEASE READ BY YOURSELF:
http://www.goat.rnoa.org/g_urraoensis/condor.pdf
... ACTUALLY, READING THIS LETTER GIVES YOU SHARP INFO ABOUT HOW DIRTY, UNETHICAL AND DODGY ALL THIS PROCESS WAS FROM THE PROAVES SIDE... NOT ONLY ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF THE PERMITS AND HOW THEY HAVE USED THIS EXCUSE TO PRESENT THEMSELVES AS THE AFFECTED POOR-GOOD-GUYS, BUT ALSO ABOUT THEIR JOURNAL CONSERVACION COLOMBIANA SHITTY PEER-REVIEW (FASTEST IN THE WORLD... !), AND ABOUT THE 'SUPERB' CONFIDENTIALITY ABILITIES/ETHICS OF THEIR ADVISORY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND RESEARCHERS... as someone said recently here on NEOORN: I just threw up in my mouth a little bit!
... just add this to all the info you have read and keep building you own opinion in this case... mine gets stronger...
*Grallaria urraoensis*
Diego.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [RNOACOL] Comunicado caso nueva especie de Grallaria
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Diego Carantón <
[email protected]>
Reply-To:
[email protected]
To: RNOACOL <
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Hola Todos
El caso de la nueva especie de Grallaria ha sido un tema bastante complicado y dificil de manejar, sin embargo creo que ha permitido que la RNOA y otros foros sirvan como espacios de analisis y discusion de este proceso; que tanto investigadores, estudiantes, observadores y aficionados entre otros se enteren de los pormenores que pueden rodear en algun momento la publicacion de un trabajo de investigación.
Lo mas importante es saber que tenemos el derecho de expresar y cuando se requiera tambien denunciar irregularidades de cualquier tipo y que el gremio o algunos de sus miembros pueden servirnos de apoyo. A mi me complace leer nuevos registros de aves y me alegra que se facilite informacion para trabajos, pero al igual que en el pais no solo podemos hablar de las buenas noticias, es importante que nos enteremos tambien de las malas.
Creo que este proceso ya esta cumpliendo su ciclo y pensaria que estamos llegando a las conclusiones, por esto es importante que de a conocer un comunicado oficial de mi parte que espero aclare algunos de los puntos. ver en el link
http://www.goat.rnoa.org/g_urraoensis/caranton.html
Quiero agradecer a todos los miembros de la RNOA por aportar sus comentarios y apoyo, lo cual nos permitio aprender y analizar una situacion que se puede dar en cualquier momento.
Gracias
DIEGO ANDRES CARANTON AYALA
Profesional Investigación y Monitoreo
Territorial Andes Occidentales
PNN Las Orquideas
Urrao-Antioquia
Grupo de Observadores de Aves del Tolima
GOAT