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First image of NL x52's! (2 Viewers)

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Eye relief is listed as only 17mm...10x42 NL Pure has 18mm and as the eyecup (for once!) goes as down as possible and it didn't give me enough for total comfort, it seems likely that these x52 models will be even slightly worse for someone like me (who needs about 19-20mm real eye relief):confused:

Regards, Juhani
 
Interesting...

130m fov for 10x and 93m for 14x..

Wonder what the price will be.

Cheers

Tim
 

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The NL 52 : First impressions of the two models

How do you improve a binocular such as the EL SV 10x50 that is already “bloody damn good”, to use a term a colleague from an island off the European mainland once coined? A bino that some consider as good as it gets?

The Swarovski EL SV 10x50 has long been considered by many the best 10x50 available after the iconic Nikon WX, at least the best 10x50 with roof prism. So where do you go from there?

It's too early to for me to write a full review of the NLs, given the limited time I had with the two new models, 10x52 and 14x52. So the following summarizes just my first impressions of the two binos.


A. First let’s look at some data. I had to mesasure many of the parameters myself before the official specifications became available, and there was only one surprise with the 14 x 52: my sample was actually a 14.6 x 51 binocular.

1. NL 10x52

Objective diameter (according to specs.): 52 mm
Free aperture (measured): 52 mm
Exit pupil (according to spec.): 5.2 mm
Exit pupil (measured): 5.2 mm
Magnification (according to specs.): 10 x
Magnification (measured): 10 x
Technical eye relief (according to specs.): 17 mm
Technical eye relief (measured): 17.5 mm
Usable eye relief (measured from rim of eyecup in fully-in position): 16 mm
IPD (according to specs.): 56 - 74 mm
RFOV (according to specs.): 7.4 degrees = 130 m
RFOV (measured): 7.4 degrees = 129.5 m
AFOV (according to specs.): 68 degrees
AFOV (measured): 68 degrees
Transmission (spec.): 91%
Minimum focus distance (according to specs.): 3.3 m
Minimum focus distance (measured): 3.2 m
Focus type: CF (direction of rotation from close to infinity: clockwise)
Range of diopter adjustment (acc. to specs.): +4 / -4 dpt
Rotation of focus wheel from 4 m to infinity (estimate): 550 degrees
Extra travel of focus wheel beyond infinity (according to specs.): 5 dpt
Extra travel of focus wheel beyond infinity (estimate): > 5 dpt
Prism system: Schmidt-Pechan
Waterproof: yes
Dimensions (according to specs.): 174 x 131 x 77 mm
Weight (without accessories, according to specs.): 1’020 g
Weight (without accessories, measured): 1’040 g
Weight (measured, with eyecaps, objective cover and strap): 1’159 g
Price (acc. to Swarovski): from € 3’500.00

2. NL 14x52

Objective diameter (according to specs.): 52 mm
Free aperture (measured): 51 mm
Exit pupil (according to specs.): 3.71 mm
Exit pupil (measured): 3.5 mm
Magnification (according to specs.): 14 x
Magnification (measured): 14.6 x
Technical eye relief (according to specs.): 17 mm
Technical eye relief (measured): 17.5 mm
Usable eye relief (measured from rim of eyecup in fully-in position): 16 mm
IPD (according to specs.): 56 - 74 mm
RFOV (according to specs.): 5.3 degrees = 93 m
RFOV (measured): 5.3 degrees = 93 m
AFOV (according to specs.): 70 degrees
AFOV (measured): 70 degrees
Transmission (specs.): 91%
Minimum focus distance (according to specs.): 3.8 m
Minimum focus distance (measured): 3.7 m
Focus type: CF (direction of rotation from close to infinity: clockwise)
Range of diopter adjustment (acc. to specs.): +4 / -4 dpt
Rotation of focus wheel from 4 m to infinity (estimate): 520 degrees
Extra travel of focus wheel beyond infinity (according to specs.): 5 dpt
Extra travel of focus wheel beyond infinity (estimate): > 6 dpt
Prism system: Schmidt-Pechan
Waterproof: yes
Dimensions (according to specs.): 174 x 131 x 77 mm
Weight (without accessories, according to specs.): 1’020 g
Weight (without accessories, measured): 1’045 g
Weight (measured, with eyecaps, objective cover and strap): 1’164 g
Price (acc. to Swarovski): from € 3’550.00



3. For reference, some data of the EL SV 10x50:

Objective diameter (acc. to specs.): 50 mm
Magnification(acc. to specs.): 10x
Exit pupil (acc. to specs.): 5 mm
Eye relief (acc. to specs.): 20 mm
Usable eye relief (measured from rim of eyecup): 17 mm
IPD (acc. to specs.): 56 – 74 mm
RFOV (acc. to specs.): 6.6 degrees = 115 m
AFOV (according to spec.): 62 degrees
Minimum focus distance (measured): 2.85 m
Focus type: CF (direction of rotation from close to infinity: clockwise)
Degrees of rotation of focus wheel from 3m to infinity (measured): 550 degrees
Range of diopter adjustment (acc. to specs.): +/- 4 dpt*
Excess travel of focus wheel beyond infinity position (estimate): 5.5 dpt
Prism system: Schmidt-Pechan
Waterproof: yes
Weight (measured, with eyepiece cover and strap): 1‘111 g

4. SRBC 10x50, since another good 10x50 has just hit the market which many will consider to be competing with the NL 10x52 (all data according to Sky Rover specs.):

Objective diameter (acc. to specs.): 50 mm
Magnification(acc. to specs.): 10x
Exit pupil (acc. to specs.): 5 mm
Eye relief (acc. to specs.): 18 mm
RFOV (acc. to specs.): 7.5 degrees = 131 m
AFOV (according to spec.): 70 degrees
Minimum focus distance (measured): 3 m
Focus type: CF (direction of rotation from close to infinity: anti-clockwise)
Range of diopter adjustment (acc. to specs.): +/- 4 dpt*
Excess travel of focus wheel beyond infinity position (acc.to spec.: > 5 dpt
Prism system: Schmidt-Pechan
Waterproof: yes
Dimensions (acc. to specs.): 176x130x70 mm
Weight (wihout accessories, acc. to specs.): 1‘010 g

Overall, I found Swarovski’s specifications slightly on the conservative side, except for the free aperture of the 14x52 and the stated weights (it appears that some bino manufacturers weigh their binos without the eyecups screwed on?).


B. Looking AT the new NLs

Typical NL body shape with the narrow waist we are used to from the x32 and x42 NL models. The samples I could inspect were finished close to perfection; they sit naturally and comfortably in my hand, for me much better than the EL SV 10x50, well balanced, the focuser right under my index finger. They are the same weight and size as the EL SV, but appear lighter and smaller.

See pics, also for size comparison with EL SV 10x42 etc.

The focuser is much better than on my various EL SV models, equal force to rotate left or right; it is also smoother than on my three NL models, It’s almost as smooth as on my AX Visio (funnily, my SRBC 8x42 beats both of them in smoothness!).

The eyecups are typical NL style and make, and they work well. Their diameter is smaller than on my SRBC 8x42 (which are quite wide and probably will be the same on the SRBC 10x50), so a bit easier for narrow IPDs.

The area of the exit pupil and around it looks “Swaro-typical”, with a round EP and some faint light structures around.

Accessories etc. are similar to NLs x42, including the Field Pro package (of which I am still not a fan). The NLs now feature a new central hinge adapter which was not availabIe yet and which I therefore could not test. It appears that the new adapter will be also available for all NLs currently on the market as a retrofit. The foreheadrest introduced with the NL x42s is also available for the NL 52.

The prices are a positive surprise: recommended Swaro prices are 3’500 € for the 10x52 and 3’550 € for the 14x52, which is clearly less than expected by many.



C. Looking THROUGH the new NLs

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When I clicked on it to see if they were in stock and says sold out. So I’m not sure if they have them in stock yet.
 
Thanks a lot Canip for the pictures, would it be too much to ask if you could make a picture of a Leica 12x50 vs NL Pure 10/14x52?
I would love to, but had to return the two test samples. Would any other comparative picture (EL, SLC, ….) help, now that you have seen NL vs EL etc?
 
I would love to, but had to return the two test samples. Would any other comparative picture (EL, SLC, ….) help, now that you have seen NL vs EL etc?
Thanks a lot Canip, i will deduct the information from what is available and have to see the “new beast” in real life myself. Was just wondering how the NL Pure 52’s compares to my Leica 12x50.
 
The NL 52 : First impressions of the two models
Thanks for the photos, which confirm that the NL52s are the same length as the EL50s, but narrower (i.e. the stats are right, and the rendering of the comparative sizes shown earlier is wrong).

I'm not sure what you mean when you say the free aperture of the 14x52 is 51mm. Do you mean there's some internal component that is effectively stopping down the usable aperture, or that your measurement of diameter of the exposed objective lens was 51mm (e.g. the armor might have been a little bit thicker on that sample)?

When you write up your user notes, I'd be interested to know if the 14x52 is noticeably more stable that other high-powered binoculars. My initial assumption is that I'll never be able to make a 14x binocular work for me handheld (the SLC 15x56 certainly doesn't). But then I thought that about 12x bins, until I tried the NL 12x24. I'm wondering if I could dare to hope that the 14x52 might work for me handheld.
 
The NL 52 : First impressions of the two models (cont'd, see post # 24))

C. Looking THROUGH the new NLs

The immediate overall first impression when the x42 NLs came out was something like “wow, such a wide field and such great sharpness fully across it”. Since then, we might have taken these wide flat fields almost for granted; still, the new NLs impress with their wonderful, wide, bright, sharp and contrast-rich image in natural colors. For me, the new models are fully “in line” with the x42 NLs; if you liked them, you will like the x52 NLs. Of not, if you didn’t like the color tone and image properties then, or if you prefer the saturated image in a UVHD+ 10x50, you might perhaps not be too impressed with the new NLs. But I was. Swarovski at its best!

Usable eye relief is more or less comparable to what you get in the x42 NLs, perhaps just slightly less, but should be okay.

I am not going to talk about glare, since this will almost certainly be the subject of another thread with hundreds of posts and emotional debates. I found the x52 NLs behave well in the usual stray-light situations, slight crescent shaped reflections at the bottom of the image can be provoked when a very bright light source (strong LED torch at full power) is positioned just at the top of the FOV, so a similar thing might happen when you stare at the sun, but as you perhaps know, you are not supposed to do that anyway. Otherwise, I found the NL well baffled; almost ne perceptible spikes.

CA is well corrected, the 14x surprised me when comparing it with the SLC 15x56 which already exhibits a decent CA performance, but the NL is clearly better.

For my eyes, panning produces a very slight globe effect, something to be expected with the limited amount of distortion and the width of the field of view. The effect appears clearly less pronounced than in my EL SVs and also less visible than in the x42 NLs. Overall, I found panning very comfortable in both new NLs.

Central sharpness NL 14x52 vs SLC 15x56: handheld, the NL beats the SLC in detail recognition, due to the size, weight and ergonomics which lead to clearly less jitter. I would probably still want to mount the 14x since I tend to do that with most binos 10x and over (in stationary situations). Looking at far away street signs and the like, the NL gave me more clues as to what I was reading than the SLC. Mounted, the SLC clearly catches up, not so much because of the higher magnification (it is neglectable). As mentioned earlier, my test sample of the 14x52 was actually a 14.6 x 51 binocular, so the SLC did not really win in terms of magnification. This could mean that if you are looking for a high mag bino that you prefer to use hand-held, the 14x52 NL with foreheadrest might be the thing for you.
The FOV in the NL is of course distinctly wider than in the SLC.

Both x52 NLs produce an immersive, almost nature-like viewing experience when the eyecups are in the right position for your style of holding the bino and placing it before your eyes. You pick the bino up and are immediately taken in by the brightness and sharpness of the image. What amazed me was that I had to check on several occasions whether I was holding the 42 or the 52 NL in my hand, due to the slim build and compact size of the 52s.

These for me are clearly two of the best binoculars you can get at the moment. Perhaps you will find even better performance in individual optical disciplines. But taken as a whole, as the sum of its properties, I found the “big” NLs superb.

Is the better the enemy of the good? Should you sell your EL SV 10x50 and SLC 15x56 and upgrade to the 10x52 and 14x52 NL?

Swarovski Optics will probably hate me for saying this, but:
Upgrade if you are obsessed with wide-field optics and find the SLC too big and heavy. Otherwise, think twice. The air gets thin at the top, so performance improvements become gradual rather than dramatic. The new NLs ARE fabulous binos, but so are the EL SVs and SLCs.

fwiw Canip
 
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say the free aperture of the 14x52 is 51mm
It's actually very simple. The way my test sample was built, it had 51mm free aperture at the objectives (perhaps the body armour wasn't applied the same way as on the 10x52).
I noticed it since the measurements of the diameter of the exit pupil indicated a difference either in magnification or in free aperture, or both. I then measured magnification, also compared to other 15x binos.
It will be interesting to see whether the normal production samples will also have magnifications closer to 15x than 14x.
 
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And very usefully it takes the TA tripod adaptor:
No, it uses a new one. The page you linked says: "To allow effortless observation for longer periods, the newly developed TAs-NL tripod adapter can be used to mount the NL Pure 52 binoculars on a SWAROVSKI OPTIK tripod." (Would it fit other NLs too?) [Edit: I see Canip says it will.]

An idea of the size:
I've rearranged the photo the other way, to give a better idea of handling. A bit of uncertainty because the 42 eyecups seem further extended, so I split the difference. Presumably the wasp waist (I thought I coined that but suppose it's obvious, and Swaro are now using it themselves) still correlates with the bridge, which now seems quite high, and there's considerably more hanging off the front in the 52s, so one wonders about the balance. On the other hand, the focuser now looks correctly placed.
Size 2.jpg
[Edit: measurement suggests that the 52 image here is just slightly too large. Also that while all three bridges look identical, they may actually vary slightly in size -- is that so?]
 
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Thanks for all the pictures and information! Wow, I was still half-expecting this to be a rumor, they're actually here already and soon to be in stock.

This would be my pick of the NL Pure line for sure. The most bang for the buck with the big lenses and only a slight price increase over the 42's. 52mm objectives, wide field eyepieces, and a smooth focuser all for 35.9 ounces is pretty good.

I'll probably stick with my 10x56 SLC for astronomy for the larger aperture, but a lighter bino would be nice for astronomy too. The 10x52 NL Pure should be outstanding for astronomy use....maybe I'll hope for a used or demo pair? Just like everybody else :)
 
thanks and I will keep a eye out for them..

You can purchase them from Outdoorsmen, but they are saying shipping is in July.
 

You can purchase them from Outdoorsmen, but they are saying shipping is in July.
They posted them at $3,449.00 and got my hopes up! That is actually the price of the 8x42....looks like another $400 for the 52mm.

checking.....so outdoorsmans and europtic have the 10x52 for $3,499, the same price as the 10x42. However on the Swaro home page the 10x52 are $3,869.00 and the 10x42 are $3,499. Retailers sell the 10x42 for $3,499.

So will the retail price get updated? Or could this be some kind of discount for pre-ordering? Or will they just sell at a discount compared to the 42's? that would be great!
 
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