Hawk ID - Central NJ (1 Viewer)

[NJBirder12]

Looking for some help with this hawk from Marlboro NJ. My first thought in the field was broad-winged but I'm thinking it is red-shouldered based on the wing tips.

Thanks

 

[Butty]

It's an immature of one of those two.
What is your point about the wing-tips?
It's moulting primaries which makes it a bit difficult to see exactly what they're like, but I don't think it has red-shouldered hawk's translucent patch across the primaries. I suspect it's broad-winged hawk (tail-pattern slightly better in that the subterminal dark bar is thicker?), though the overall proportions are maybe better for red-shouldered. Dunno.

 

[NJBirder12]

In researching a bit I found that the translucent crescent is characteristic of the red-shouldered - I'm unsure if the sun is just hitting the primaries from the front side - but I agree this doesn't look very pronounced. Also heard the wing tip shape of red-shouldered is slightly more squared off than broad-winged and has 5 primaries contributing to this effect. I have very little experience with both species in the field.

 

[Butty]

I usually avoid counting 'fingers'. But your bird seems to have 4, and Sibley shows broad-winged hawk with 4 and red-shouldered hawk with 5-6 - so...