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Is IS for the birds? (2 Viewers)

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Dennis,

How is the Nikon 10X25 IS, is it worth the price?

Andy W.
The Nikon is small which is nice but I like the optics of the Canon 8x20 IS better. The Canon has a smaller FOV but it seems to be a little sharper and has better contrast. I am using the Canons more than I am the Nikons even though they are a little bigger they are not much heavier.
 
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Here is an interesting video on Fraser Optics S250 IS binoculars. They are $4K and they weigh 3.7 pounds. All mechanical stabilization and made in the USA! The wait is 3 to 5 weeks to get a pair because the demand is so high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_OlFK7dytI
https://www.optics4birding.com/fraser-optics-s250-is-binoculars-review.aspx

They seem to have IF, good for stargazing but not for birding. There are plenty of IS binos with CF that should be a better choice for bird watching.
 

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Here is an interesting video on Fraser Optics S250 IS binoculars. They are $4K and they weigh 3.7 pounds. All mechanical stabilization and made in the USA! The wait is 3 to 5 weeks to get a pair because the demand is so high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_OlFK7dytI
https://www.optics4birding.com/fraser-optics-s250-is-binoculars-review.aspx
Also these optics companies, such as Fraser and Steiner, that deliver binos to military and law enforcement personnel seem to emphasize robustness more that anything else. How many Steiner binos have you tried that you really liked and thought they were excellent choices for birding?
 

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I have never tried the Zeiss 20x60 IS and since $9K is not in my budget right now I can't see purchasing them just to test them. I have heard they are great though. Here are a few reviews from Cloudy Nights.

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/521336-out-under-the-stars-with-the-nikon-18x70-and-zeiss-20x60/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/23434-test-zeiss-20x60-is/
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/299711-zeiss-and-other-high-power-stabilized-bino-review/

Thank you . Yes Zeiss 20x60 IS are very expensive. I want to ask you about the new Fujinon 14x40 TSC. For some time, you have owned a new one. Are you happy with the new Fujinon 14x40 TSX after using it .. Does IS work well every day ... And is its close focus good with IS..Thank you again.
 

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Also these optics companies, such as Fraser and Steiner, that deliver binos to military and law enforcement personnel seem to emphasize robustness more that anything else. How many Steiner binos have you tried that you really liked and thought they were excellent choices for birding?
I have tried several Steiners and the only one I liked was the 8x56 Night Hunter which is called the 8x56 Shadow Quest now and it is ranked 1st in Allbinos under the 8x56s. Ultimately, I like the Swarovski SLC 8x56 a little better though. I am sure these Fraser IS binoculars would be a super binocular but a little big and heavy for most birding uses outside of Pelagic or birds of prey.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1346187-REG/steiner_2310_8x56_shadowquest_binocular.html
https://www.allbinos.com/1785-Steiner_Nighthunter_8x56_(2016)-binoculars_specifications.html
 

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Thank you . Yes Zeiss 20x60 IS are very expensive. I want to ask you about the new Fujinon 14x40 TSC. For some time, you have owned a new one. Are you happy with the new Fujinon 14x40 TSX after using it .. Does IS work well every day ... And is its close focus good with IS..Thank you again.
The Fujinon 14x40 TSX is the best IS binocular I have used although I haven't tried any of the really high-end IS binoculars like the Fujinon S1640D 16x40 Stabiscope, Fraser S250 or the Zeiss 20x60. The IS works perfect every day and the IS works perfect on close focus which is 16.4 feet. The IS on the Fujinon is superior in my opinion to the Canon variable prism IS or even their better image shift IS system.
 

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I have tried several Steiners and the only one I liked was the 8x56 Night Hunter which is called the 8x56 Shadow Quest now and it is ranked 1st in Allbinos under the 8x56s. Ultimately, I like the Swarovski SLC 8x56 a little better though. I am sure these Fraser IS binoculars would be a super binocular but a little big and heavy for most birding uses outside of Pelagic or birds of prey.

Instead of Fraser IS I would suggest the new Kite APC 16x42:
https://www.kiteoptics.com/en/nature/product/244/bino-apc-stabilized-42/
You can order them directly from Kite:
https://shop.kiteoptics.com/en/products/stabilized/bino-apc-stabilized-42/?varId=4182
I ordered a pair 2 days ago and the service by Kite Optics was impeccable: they sent them with DHL Express and I received them in 24h. Besides some glare issues I cannot fault them for much else:
-the IS works very well: totally silent (no clicking or any other noise), no delay, and rock solid.
-no button to press: the APC system detects the angle--->vertical&up=off, else=on (there is a switch for the power when the bino is stored in its case). Also battery life=120h!
-good/standard eyecups with three click stops
-they're light (about 750g) and easy to hold
-CA is well controlled on axis, and is average off axis (it's OK given the high power).
 

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What I have also found is in an IS binocular optical quality is not as important as IS performance and stability. Even a good image looks better when it is stable than a superb image that is moving or has jitters.

There is a lot of truth in this I think. One of the other IS users (Winterdune) said something about his Kite IS binocular some months back that stuck in my mind: "Although it's easy to tell they are not high end optics, the experience of looking at a bird and switching on the stabilizer is almost a religious one, like suddenly achieving inner peace!"

I'd like to try the Canon 10x32 for sure, more than the 8x20. 10x is definitely in the territory where a stable image makes a real difference and after trying the 18x50 at Birdfair, I'd agree with those who say the main complaint about 10x32s (small exit pupil resulting in finicky eye placement) can be overcome with a stabillized image.
 

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There is a lot of truth in this I think. One of the other IS users (Winterdune) said something about his Kite IS binocular some months back that stuck in my mind: "Although it's easy to tell they are not high end optics, the experience of looking at a bird and switching on the stabilizer is almost a religious one, like suddenly achieving inner peace!"

I'd like to try the Canon 10x32 for sure, more than the 8x20. 10x is definitely in the territory where a stable image makes a real difference and after trying the 18x50 at Birdfair, I'd agree with those who say the main complaint about 10x32s (small exit pupil resulting in finicky eye placement) can be overcome with a stabillized image.
If you wear eye glasses the Canon 10x32 IS will probably work for you but if not be cautious of the eye cups that are too long for the eye relief which makes them impossible to use unless you fold the eye cups all the way down then they are quite finicky for eye placement. You would be surprised how much difference IS makes even at 8x. The IS binoculars are addictive as one member said. Once you get used to a rock steady image and you go back to a normal binocular you really notice how much you are shaking. The IS really lets you enjoy the view more instead of just giving you glimpses of what you are trying to look at when you happen to be steady.
 

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Instead of Fraser IS I would suggest the new Kite APC 16x42:
https://www.kiteoptics.com/en/nature/product/244/bino-apc-stabilized-42/
You can order them directly from Kite:
https://shop.kiteoptics.com/en/products/stabilized/bino-apc-stabilized-42/?varId=4182
I ordered a pair 2 days ago and the service by Kite Optics was impeccable: they sent them with DHL Express and I received them in 24h. Besides some glare issues I cannot fault them for much else:
-the IS works very well: totally silent (no clicking or any other noise), no delay, and rock solid.
-no button to press: the APC system detects the angle--->vertical&up=off, else=on (there is a switch for the power when the bino is stored in its case). Also battery life=120h!
-good/standard eyecups with three click stops
-they're light (about 750g) and easy to hold
-CA is well controlled on axis, and is average off axis (it's OK given the high power).
Those look interesting. The degree of stabilization at 2 degrees is greater than the Canons 1 degree but not near the 6 degrees of the Fujinons so they are not going to stabilize big movements as well but the light weight would be nice for an IS binocular although I don't think they can be compared to the gyro stabilization system used in the Frasers. Some reviewers have criticized the Kites IS for curvature of field and sharpness, whereas, the Fujinon and Canon are quite flat field and very sharp. How are your Kites for field curvature and sharpness?? Thanks, for the link although Kites are not commonly available in the US and I would guess they are made by Kamakura.

https://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=383479
https://www.birdguides.com/reviews/binoculars/kite-apc-stabilized-12x30-binocular/
 
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The edges are surprisingly good, there is not a lot of field curvature. I think you should try one, there is a good chance that you might like them. You can order them from the link that I posted, they ship worldwide. It would be interesting to hear how they compare with your 14x40 Fujinon.
 

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The edges are surprisingly good, there is not a lot of field curvature. I think you should try one, there is a good chance that you might like them. You can order them from the link that I posted, they ship worldwide. It would be interesting to hear how they compare with your 14x40 Fujinon.
I emailed them to see if I have to pay VAT in the US and also how hard it is to return them if I don't like them. I would too be interested to see how they compare to the Fujinon.
 

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I emailed them to see if I have to pay VAT in the US and also how hard it is to return them if I don't like them. I would too be interested to see how they compare to the Fujinon.
As far as I know there are no taxes/fees for importing binos into the US. In fact Kite should subtract the EU VAT from the price so you should get a "discount" of about 200 eur.
Regarding Kite vs your Fujinon, the IS system of Kite is completely silent unlike Fujinon's which is noisy, and Kite's AFoV is wider. A thing about Kite that you might not like is that they have some glare issue, but you have been able to put up with the glare problem of your NLs so you might be able to do the same with the Kite.
 

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As far as I know there are no taxes/fees for importing binos into the US. In fact Kite should subtract the EU VAT from the price so you should get a "discount" of about 200 eur.
Regarding Kite vs your Fujinon, the IS system of Kite is completely silent unlike Fujinon's which is noisy, and Kite's AFoV is wider. A thing about Kite that you might not like is that they have some glare issue, but you have been able to put up with the glare problem of your NLs so you might be able to do the same with the Kite.
Thanks, for the information. I may give them a try if they have a good return policy. If I don't like them they would probably be a bear to sell on eBay because not too many people on this side of the pond have heard about Kites.
 

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I ordered a pair of Kites APC 16x42. I will keep the Fujinons or the Kites depending on which pair I like best. Review on them as soon as I get them. Coming soon to this channel.
 
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I have never tried the Zeiss 20x60 IS and since $9K is not in my budget right now I can't see purchasing them just to test them. I have heard they are great though. Here are a few reviews from Cloudy Nights.

They work well, but just too much weight and not quite enough eye relief - at least for me and my glasses. Bumped into someone with a pair at an astronomy convention and got to try them during the day.

You can a fine telescope for $9000.

Clear skies, Alan
 

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I have never tried the Zeiss 20x60 IS and since $9K is not in my budget right now I can't see purchasing them just to test them. I have heard they are great though. Here are a few reviews from Cloudy Nights.

They work well, but just too much weight and not quite enough eye relief - at least for me and my glasses. Bumped into someone with a pair at an astronomy convention and got to try them during the day.

You can a fine telescope for $9000.

Clear skies, Alan
You can buy a fine telescope for $9K but then you have to set up the tripod and set up the telescope and align it with the North Star, etc., etc. I am just too lazy for all that anymore. With an IS binocular you just look up at the stars. I am curious how the Kite APC 16x42 will perform at just 28 oz. it has to be the lightest IS binocular around with that big of aperture. If the IS works well it could be the perfect Pelagic Birding binocular.
 

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Is this the "New Canon and Swarovski Killer?" Coming soon to this channel. Review of the REVOLUTIONARY Kite APC 16x42 IS Binocular! Only 28 oz. Waterproof to IPX7 and Nitrogen Filled with comfortable adjustable eye cups and a rock steady 16X with 3 degree stabilization with a big 42 mm aperture and 62.4 degree AFOV and MIJ! It turns off and on when you bring it up to your eyes and uses two AA batteries that last for 120 hours WITH two spare batteries carried onboard! If Swarovski made an IS binocular this would be it!

https://www.kiteoptics.com/en/nature/product/244/bino-apc-stabilized-42/
 

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You can buy a fine telescope for $9K but then you have to set up the tripod and set up the telescope and align it with the North Star, etc., etc. I am just too lazy for all that anymore. With an IS binocular you just look up at the stars. I am curious how the Kite APC 16x42 will perform at just 28 oz. it has to be the lightest IS binocular around with that big of aperture. If the IS works well it could be the perfect Pelagic Birding binocular.

The IS of the APC 16x42 works very well and I am pretty sure you're going to like it. In particular, unlike the IS of the Fujinon, it is totally silent. It will be interesting to see if you will prefer the Kite to Fujinon----I look forward to reading your comparative review.
 

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