Jacques Bernard Hombron (1 Viewer)

[l_raty]

"Anyway here some evidence it is for her."
But that also includes information why it is not named for her. The savages held these birds in affection. Maybe why Louise-Felicite bird was named C. felicia not felicitae? Also Columbe de Felicie in French?

I would assume Félicie may have been a diminutive of Félicité.

(It's the birds that held 'savage' (i.e., wild) areas in affection. )

 

[Taphrospilus]

This one is obviously incorrect. The vernacular on the plate has no standing. The first latinization seems to be Proctotretus magellanicus Duméril & Duméril 1851 here. (This is earlier than Jacquinot & Guichenot 1853.)

What about Gray here?

And is this here generally valid way according the code?
Pteropus pelagicus insularis Hombron and Jacquinot in Jacquinot and Pucheran, 1853 plate and text

Anyway ITIS seems very inconsistent if you search for Jacquinot as author.

 

[l_raty]

What about Gray here?

The seal name is on the plate, which Clark & Crosnier 2000 (here [alt. here]) placed in livr. 1, dated by them to 1 Apr 1842. (Note that, for bird plates, Clark & Crosnier's dates, based on accession dates in the British Library, are typically several months later than the dates given by Pucheran here.)
Pp. 1-8 of Gray's Seals of the Southern hemisphere are dated to 1844 in the ToC of this volume, which is later than the plate (and indeed had to be later, as Gray's source was the plate).

The lizard name (which was what my text was about) is not on the plate. Clark & Crosnier 2000 placed this in livr. 2, which they dated to 1 Oct 1842 (but which also included Oiseaux pl. 12, which Pucheran listed as having appeared in May 1842).
No idea where the Reptile Database got "1847" for this plate.

And is this here generally valid way according the code?
Pteropus pelagicus insularis Hombron and Jacquinot in Jacquinot and Pucheran, 1853 plate and text

This appears to assume the plate and text have the same date (1853).
This plate was placed by Clark & Crosnier 2000 in livr. 11, dated by them to 26 Jul 1844 (but which included Oiseaux pl. 32, which Pucheran listed as having appeared in Apr 1844).

The name is available from the text (with a reference to the plate).
It is attributed there to Hombron & Jacquinot, but is actually (based on internal evidence) a latinization, by Pucheran, of a vernacular used by Hombron & Jacquinot in the atlas.
The work is by Jacquinot & Pucheran, but the final text appears (based on internal evidence) to have been written by Pucheran alone.
I'd go with Pteropus insularis Pucheran (...in [Jacquinot & Pucheran / Hombron & Jacquinot / Dumont-d'Urville], as one may prefer; but nothing in the Code requires this, and my preference is to keep my authorships simple).

 

[l_raty]

The first latinization seems to be Proctotretus magellanicus Duméril & Duméril 1851 here. (This is earlier than Jacquinot & Guichenot 1853.)

Gay 1848 here is still earlier.

 

[mb1848]

Thanks Laurent for the French lessons. Holthuis says There are a few points in connection with dates and author’s names in which I do not quite agree with the conclusions reached by Clark & Crosnier (2000):" About Crustaceans , Special Issue for Prof. Jacques Forest A FEW NOTES ON THE AUTHORS AND DATES OF THE NAMES OF CRUSTACEA COLLECTED BY THE “VOYAGE AU PÔLE SUD ET DANS L’OCÉANIE SUR LES CORVETTES L’ASTROLABE ET LA ZÉLÉE” BY L. B. HOLTHUIS 2002.

 

[Taphrospilus]

Gay 1848 here is still earlier.

Guichenot 1848 see footnote here. But I stop now on that topic as not bird related.

 

[Taphrospilus]

Why is Ninox jacquinoti not dedicated to Honoré Jacquinot (1815–1887), French surgeon and zoologist. Here OD. I think Honoré worked with Hombron on zoology and especially on birds. Anyway the same question about Pachycephala jacquinoti here OD. The Eponym Dictionary of Birds see both as possible here with a tendency to Honoré.

Ir might make sense to update The Key to Scientific Names - Birds of the World

Honoré Jacquinot (1815-1887) French surgeon-naturalist in the Pacific 1837-1840 (cf. his half-brother Vice-Adm. Charles-Hector Jacquinot (1796-1879) French explorer in the Pacific 1837-1840) (Ninox, Pachycephala (ex “Pie-grièche à masque noir” of Hombron & Jacquinot 1843), syn. Todiramphus macleayi).

Instead of Ninox it is now placed in the genus Athene.

 

[Björn Bergenholtz]

One short question (earlier asked, alt. pointed out, by Martin, and by Laurent, in post/s #3–#6) ...

Re. felicia/feliciae and the anonymous/unspecified "madame Hombron", commemorated in Colombe de Félicie (Columba Felicia) HOMBRON & JAQUINOT 1841, alt. Ptinilope de Félicie. – Ptinilopus Feliciæ": "... dédiée à madame Hombron", 1946, (as shown repeatedly in this thread) ...

Who was the Mother of Jacques Bernard Hombron (1798–1852) ... ?

The link in post #1 (from back in 2017) to his Birth record (which ought to have included her name) doesn't seem to work any longer.

Though, of course, this far I agree that it does seem to point at his Wife, Louise Félicité Hombron, née Moreau (1803–1892).

Just to be on the safe side.

/B

 

[l_raty]

See also here p. 33 of 51 birth 26 Germinal an VI in 6 Arrondissement Paris.

Who was the Mother of Jacques Bernard Hombron (1798–1852) ... ?

The link in post #1 (from back in 2017) to his Birth record (which ought to have included her name) doesn't seem to work any longer.

I think the current equivalent to Martin's original link is this, 33/51, which did not really help about the name of his mother.
However (and it seems we did not find this back then), there is also a copy of his complete original birth record here, 17/40, which makes him the son of Claude Bernard Hombron, merchant haberdasher, and Marie Françoise Massé, who had married in Paris on 13 Floréal of the second year of the French Republic.