Frenchy
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This is exactly my point using Greenish Warbler. Why is it not Green Greenish Warbler then? Or Gansu Lemon-rumped Warbler?
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opisska
rabid twitcher
I am not a native English speaker but I know far more English than scientific names - hell, I know more English than Czech names, because I cannot be bothered with Czech names for birds outside WP and all the books I have are in English anyway. The scientific names are often hard to remember as they don't mean anything in any language I would know. I know that hardcore birders sometimes know scientific names and I have used this on some occasions, also in Poland (because Czech and Polish names of birds are super different, despite the normal words being quite similar), but I would say that most people you meet in the field do not really know many scientific names.
Larry Sweetland
Formerly 'Larry Wheatland'
Not only that, but people with a different first language to your own can pronounce scientific names unintelligibly to you! I recall a birder who didn't know the english name repeating a bird's scientific name over and over again before I realised he was saying a name that we both new : Porphyrio porphyrio.
James Jobling
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Larry, I appreciate what you say. By the time I’ve finished whispering Griseotyrannus aurantioatrocristatus into my companion’s ear the dear little mite has b******d off!
l_raty
laurent raty
I recall a situation where I kept hearing "Fire-eye", when the (American) guy in front of me was saying thayeri.
But OTOH I also recall a day a French-speaking companion of mine called "Sabine's Gull" (pronouncing it Sah-been, as it would be in French) on a seawatch in Britain, and was met with blank eyes : this type of problem may not be limited to scientific names...
Mysticete
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Well...Green Greenish warbler is just an abysmal name, that is why
No clue on the other one, although one thing to keep in mind is that some of these names are "revived" names, that were at one point in use already. So when something is split they just go back to the "old" name.
(This of course being the origin of Short-billed and Common Gull to bring up a recent example of this trend)
No clue on the other one, although one thing to keep in mind is that some of these names are "revived" names, that were at one point in use already. So when something is split they just go back to the "old" name.
(This of course being the origin of Short-billed and Common Gull to bring up a recent example of this trend)
bedfontbirder
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Which one of the 'Lesser' Sand Plovers is most likely in Goa, India. (Haven't had chance to look it up in the books yet.)?
Jacana
Will Jones
Should be only Tibetan in India
MJB
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Feb 18 Post proposed lump of Northern and Southern Mountain Caciques.
MJB
Paul Clapham
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Yep...
Feb 18 Post proposed lump of Ochre Oriole with Orchard Oriole.
Feb 18 Post proposed lump of Ochre Oriole with Orchard Oriole.
mb1848
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The WGAC website has June 2022 updates. The Fall Flutter (IOU journal) has August updates. Page 16 and 17.
IOU newsletters (Flutter) | International Ornithologists' Union .
The June update mentions a WGAC GitHub deally? Is it public?
Zoonomen and Avibase use GitHub.
Mysticete
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Incidently a 2023 NACC proposal rejected the split (as indicated on the IOC page for proposed lumps/splits), so we at least know they are voting for things this year...
l_raty
laurent raty
I assume this is based on Fuchs et al 2019 ? This would be easier to accept if the sequences had been made publicly available.
Mysticete
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They literally cite this paper on the taxonomic change page, so good guess!
Paul Clapham
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Feb 19 Post proposed lump of Western Ground Parrot with (Eastern) Ground Parrot.
mb1848
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Southern and Northern are correct and logical. But Boring. I support Santa Fe de Bogata Cacique and Bolivian Yungas Cacique.
Southern: v.8 (1838) - [Mollusques] - Biodiversity Heritage Library . Althou I think d'Orbigny uses chrysonotus as a Genus?
Zoonomen uses d'Orbigny and Lafresnay as authors but Dickinson and Bosse use d'Orbigny from a different publication.
https://www.avespress.com/uploads/texteditor/zoological_bibliography_5_4.pdf .
Zoonomen does not have a link to the OD of leucoramphus .
6th session - Atti della ... Riunione, &c. I-VIII & XI. [11 Vol. in 10] - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
It was difficult to find.
World Birds Taxonomic List: Genera and species with citations. .
Does anyone know what happens to C. c. peruvianus Zimmer 1924?
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