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List of Westpalaearktis (1 Viewer)
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Darrell Clegg
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Michael Frankis
conehead
Here's the link for the actual list:
http://www.wpbirds.com/WP birdspecies/WP birdlist/WP birdlist hoofd.htm
Michael
http://www.wpbirds.com/WP birdspecies/WP birdlist/WP birdlist hoofd.htm
Michael
Charles Harper
Régisseur
Thank you, gentlemen. I didn't have that site.
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
robinm
Registered User
Here are some more:
http://www.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/families
http://www.zoonomen.net/avtax/frame.html
http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/TaxChanges.html
As part of the BirdForum Great Global Bird Count (GGBC) I have done a bit of investigation on on-line world bird lists. As you can see there are a few and (no surprise) they are all different. I do not think there is such a thing a completely accurate online global bird list. For the GGBC I have actually developed my own which I am keeping as up to date as I can.
The other problem you come across (as an English birder) is that many of the lists are US based and use different English names and families to those used in the Western Palearctic. It's always best to use the scientific name. But I guess you are probably used to that!
Good luck.
http://www.hbw.com/ibc/phtml/families
http://www.zoonomen.net/avtax/frame.html
http://www.ornitaxa.com/SM/TaxChanges.html
As part of the BirdForum Great Global Bird Count (GGBC) I have done a bit of investigation on on-line world bird lists. As you can see there are a few and (no surprise) they are all different. I do not think there is such a thing a completely accurate online global bird list. For the GGBC I have actually developed my own which I am keeping as up to date as I can.
The other problem you come across (as an English birder) is that many of the lists are US based and use different English names and families to those used in the Western Palearctic. It's always best to use the scientific name. But I guess you are probably used to that!
Good luck.
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
Vogelruf - which species are missing?
Darrell
Darrell
For Example:
Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
Brent Goose (Branta bernicla)
Rose-ringed Parakeet (Psittacula krameri)
White's Thrush (White's Thrush)
Olivaceous Warbler (Hippolais pallida)
Italian Sparrow (Italian Sparrow)
Trumpeter Finch (Trumpeter Finch)
Just to mention a few...
Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
Brent Goose (Branta bernicla)
Rose-ringed Parakeet (Psittacula krameri)
White's Thrush (White's Thrush)
Olivaceous Warbler (Hippolais pallida)
Italian Sparrow (Italian Sparrow)
Trumpeter Finch (Trumpeter Finch)
Just to mention a few...
Charles Harper
Régisseur
I chose Brent Goose as an example, and Brent Goose is on the websites mentioned by Darrell and Michael. In the WP website list, Brent has been split into several species, with Dark-bellied Brent retaining the specific, bernicla.
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andythomas
Well-known member
On the WP list Canada Goose is shown as Hutchins Canada Goose (branta hutchinsii).
Branta bernicla is shown as Dark-bellied Brent Goose.
Olivaceous Warbler has been split between Eastern Olivaceous warbler (Acrocephalus pallidus) and Western Olivaceous Warbler (Acrocephalus opacus).
Italian Sparrow is a race of Spanish Sparrow.
White's Thrush (Zoothera aurea) and Trumpeter Finch (Bucanetes githagineus) are both on the list.
Can't find Rose-ringed Parakeet though.
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Andy
Branta bernicla is shown as Dark-bellied Brent Goose.
Olivaceous Warbler has been split between Eastern Olivaceous warbler (Acrocephalus pallidus) and Western Olivaceous Warbler (Acrocephalus opacus).
Italian Sparrow is a race of Spanish Sparrow.
White's Thrush (Zoothera aurea) and Trumpeter Finch (Bucanetes githagineus) are both on the list.
Can't find Rose-ringed Parakeet though.
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Andy
Michael Frankis
conehead
Hi Vogelruf,
The list has three things making it difficult to use:
1. Introduced species are not included. Therefore no Canada Goose, Ruddy Duck, Golden Pheasant, Rose-ringed Parakeet, etc.
2. It is very pro-split. So White's Thrush is split as Zoothera aurea, treated seperately from Scaly Thrush Zoothera dauma (southern China, not recorded in the W Pal.). Also Olivaceous Warbler is split into two species:
Eastern Olivaceous Warbler Acrocephalus pallidus
Western Olivaceous Warbler Acrocephalus opacus
And Brent Goose into three species, and Canada Goose split as well, with the northern race hutchinsii included as a species.
Though they do not appear to accept the split of Italian Sparrow! (presumably like most books, they regard it as a race of House Sparrow Passer domesticus)
3. It has a strange species order. So some species are not in the position where you would expect to find them - e.g. Ostrich does not start the list, as one would expect.
BTW, Trumpeter Finch Bucanetes githagineus is on the list, between Mongolian Finch and Common Rosefinch - were you looking for it with the old latin name Rhodopechys githaginea?
Hope this helps!
Michael
The list has three things making it difficult to use:
1. Introduced species are not included. Therefore no Canada Goose, Ruddy Duck, Golden Pheasant, Rose-ringed Parakeet, etc.
2. It is very pro-split. So White's Thrush is split as Zoothera aurea, treated seperately from Scaly Thrush Zoothera dauma (southern China, not recorded in the W Pal.). Also Olivaceous Warbler is split into two species:
Eastern Olivaceous Warbler Acrocephalus pallidus
Western Olivaceous Warbler Acrocephalus opacus
And Brent Goose into three species, and Canada Goose split as well, with the northern race hutchinsii included as a species.
Though they do not appear to accept the split of Italian Sparrow! (presumably like most books, they regard it as a race of House Sparrow Passer domesticus)
3. It has a strange species order. So some species are not in the position where you would expect to find them - e.g. Ostrich does not start the list, as one would expect.
BTW, Trumpeter Finch Bucanetes githagineus is on the list, between Mongolian Finch and Common Rosefinch - were you looking for it with the old latin name Rhodopechys githaginea?
Hope this helps!
Michael
robinm
Registered User
Vogelruf: I think your queries on the WP List have been answered above. If you start looking at the world lists you will get even more inconsistencies - believe me I've done it!
I recently found another WP bird site that is under construction, but looks like it might be worth going back to (http://digilander.libero.it/avifauna/w_palearctic/home.htm). It seems to have quite a lot of info.
Good luck with whatever you are trying to do.
I recently found another WP bird site that is under construction, but looks like it might be worth going back to (http://digilander.libero.it/avifauna/w_palearctic/home.htm). It seems to have quite a lot of info.
Good luck with whatever you are trying to do.
Thanks a lot! But these introduced species should be included, shouldn't they? They have their own scientific name, so on a complete list they should be mentioned.
"robinm" said this website was under construction, so do you know whether this list is complete:
http://digilander.libero.it/avifauna/w_palearctic/lista_alfabetica.html
"robinm" said this website was under construction, so do you know whether this list is complete:
http://digilander.libero.it/avifauna/w_palearctic/lista_alfabetica.html
Michael Frankis
conehead
I would guess what is not complete yet, is (1) an alphabetic index by scientific name, and (2) an index in one of the widely used taxonomic orders (e.g. Voous order)
Michael
Michael
Darrell Clegg
Well-known member
I suppose it depends where in the WP you live. The Dutch for instance seem to split everything that moves. There have also been some instances of lumping - ie Green/Greenish/Two-barred Greenish Warbler, so a standardised list is going to be difficult. It seems you can have the British view of a WP list, a Dutch view, a German view etc etc.
Darrell
Darrell
All,
I've often wondered why the Western Pal boundary is where it is, I think it's mainly down to the area the editors of BWP decided was workable. I'd argue that the whole of Arabia should be in the Western Pal as the existing boundary in Northern Arabia looks arbitrary (and the rest of Arabia has relatively little in Common with either African or Oriental avifaunas). Further east I think the whole of Iran, Afghanistan and Kazakstan should also be included as these ornithologically rich areas also have much more in common with European and Middle Eastern avifaunas than does the oriental region.
Spud
I've often wondered why the Western Pal boundary is where it is, I think it's mainly down to the area the editors of BWP decided was workable. I'd argue that the whole of Arabia should be in the Western Pal as the existing boundary in Northern Arabia looks arbitrary (and the rest of Arabia has relatively little in Common with either African or Oriental avifaunas). Further east I think the whole of Iran, Afghanistan and Kazakstan should also be included as these ornithologically rich areas also have much more in common with European and Middle Eastern avifaunas than does the oriental region.
Spud
Well... We are talking about a scientific list. So there must be something official. The problem is: I've got a WP-list with 873 entries. But I think, that can't be all. We have about 9600 birds on this planet, and they can't possibly be everywhere else but not in the WP. The list which the EU gives consists of about 2500 birds, which sounds more probably to me, but this is only a EU-list. And the WP ist larger than the EU.
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