Marsh or Willow tit? Norfolk UK. (1 Viewer)

[OldBins]

Hello again!

Marsh or Willow tit please?
In predominantly pine woodlands. No rivers or ponds nearby.

Thank you.

 

[KenM]

I’ll go for Marsh, on account of it’s head looking quite small, not unlike the “look alike” proximal spot.

Cheers

 

[Richard D]

Tricky, but I'm leaning Marsh. Angle is difficult, but it doesn't look that 'bull necked' and cap looks slightly glossy.

 

[OldBins]

another quick edit ...

 

[Richard D]

Head/Neck looks even more Marsh in that one, and I'm not seeing a middle wing pale panel or rustyness on flanks that would raise questions.

 

[THE_FERN]

marsh: white spot at base of upper bill

 

[Butty]

white spot at base of upper bill

I wouldn't have thought so: that's just the most-obvious part of wide whitish cutting edges to the whole (or thereabouts) length of upper and lower mandibles.

 

[Richard D]

To me the bill is inconclusive - not all Marsh Tits show a strong white spot and Willow Tit bills whilst generally a solid dark tone do vary...

I'm not seeing anything that strongly points to Willow whilst seeing more pointers towards Marsh, but individuals do vary which always makes these two difficult without hearing a call.

 

[THE_FERN]

I wouldn't have thought so: that's just the most-obvious part of wide whitish cutting edges to the whole (or thereabouts) length of upper and lower mandibles.

No, not for me. There is a distinct white spot in addition to the pale mandible margins

(There are other reasons why this is marsh like glossy cap, head shape etc)

 

[Butty]

distinct white spot

Ah, the mid-grey triangular patch. Gotcha 👍🏻