Mountain Chiffchaff? Iran, Az arbayejan-e Gharbi, Naghadeh Wetlands, Oct. 2022 (1 Viewer)

[Pedrambirder]

Hi all,
Is there any Mountain Chiffchaff in these pics?

 

[lou salomon]

1st one looks like a Phylloscopus sindianus lorenzii indeed. The other ones are either eastern brown forms of collybita (abietinus), 2 and 4, with number 3 looking like a Siberian Chiffchaff (P. collybita tristis). Possibly also number 2.

 

[Pedrambirder]

1st one looks like a Phylloscopus sindianus lorenzii indeed. The other ones are either eastern brown forms of collybita (abietinus), 2 and 4, with number 3 looking like a Siberian Chiffchaff (P. collybita tristis). Possibly also number 2.

Thank you

 

[andyb39]

1st one looks like a Phylloscopus sindianus lorenzii indeed. The other ones are either eastern brown forms of collybita (abietinus), 2 and 4, with number 3 looking like a Siberian Chiffchaff (P. collybita tristis). Possibly also number 2.

Could no.2 even be lorenzii? Lots of yellow on the bill base, something which seems to be a feature of young birds seen in Ladakh/Jammu and Kashmir.

 

[KenM]

Could no.2 even be lorenzii? Lots of yellow on the bill base, something which seems to be a feature of young birds seen in Ladakh/Jammu and Kashmir.

Images 2-3 (not as well lit as the 1st) appear to have rich brown (chestnut) crowns, not untypical of lorenzii, also image 2 appears to show almost pinkish tones to the lower ear coverts and throat, another pro lorenzii feature?

Cheers

 

[lou salomon]

a pinkish tones you mention are pro tristis. never heard they are lorenzii feature.

 

[KenM]

a pinkish tones you mention are pro tristis. never heard they are lorenzii feature.

Certainly seen images “headed” Mountain Chiffchaff P.lorenzii showing pinkish tones.

 

[Muppit17]

I had to put all the photos on a large screen Certainly all the first 3 are all the same species IMHO. All shoe the same features including the strong broad supercilium before the eye, almost meeting over the bill and the duller supercilium behind, the same bicoloured beak, Brown cap and the dull flanks. It is arguable that even the last photo is the same.

They all show variation due to lighting effects and camera settings I think, rather than variation in the bird(s) itself.

These all look to me like the Mountain Chiffchaffs I saw in Georgia.

I have to say none look like tristis to me.

 

[kuzeycem]

Agree with Common Chiffchaff for the last 3. Even the first one could be just a CC, nothing really wrong against it.

 

[KenM]

Agree with Common Chiffchaff for the last 3. Even the first one could be just a CC, nothing really wrong against it.

Presume in your neck of the woods NE.Turkey?brown Chiffchaffs are the norm, or are they subordinate to the olive green birds?

Cheers