andrew147
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Greek word meaning "mischievous spirit" or imp.
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My taxonomic predictions (1 Viewer)
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andrew147
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Is Eriodora (Gloger, 1827) a valid name for this species?
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Aaaaaah , maybe
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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I didn't find the OD of Myothera ferruginea Temminck
l_raty
laurent raty
v.2 (1838) - Nouveau recueil de planches coloriées d'oiseaux - Biodiversity Heritage Library
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Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Are you something about Eriodora ?v.2 (1838) - Nouveau recueil de planches coloriées d'oiseaux - Biodiversity Heritage Library
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andrew147
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Can Garrulaxis Lafresnaye, 1838 (type: leucolophus) stand for this group?
Regarding Eriodora, the type is 'Myiothera squamata' (not sure where Myothera ferruginea came in)
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Unfortunately, I'm afraid that Eriodora is a strict synonym of Formicivora and their type is the same, despite what Jobling's key says
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Probably a deliberate misspelling by Lafresnaye
andrew147
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...based on what info?
andrew147
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Yes, I read that, but it has a different type species and it exists apart from Garrulax ...and 'probably a deliberate mispelling' certainly wouldn't hold up in court!
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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I wrote Eriodora in the BHL search field and noticed incongruities, sometimes used as a synonym of Formicivora while squamata was placed in another genus (Ellipura). So, I don't know, I have a doubt on his type
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andrew147
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Ah, okay - you think the same goes for Ellipura?
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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Yes. I think there is no name available for squamata
l_raty
laurent raty
'Garrulaxis' is a subsequent spelling of Garrulax. Indeed, "probably deliberate" would not hold up in court. This name does not meet the Code requirements to be treated as a demonstrably deliberate emendation (Lafresnaye attributed it to Lesson and treated it as if Lesson had used this spelling). Hence is is to be treated as an error and is wholly unavailable.
Even if it could be interpreted as a deliberate emendation, an emendation is always an objective synonym of the original name, hence Garrulaxis, being junior to Garrulax, would be permanently invalid. (Beware that the type fixation of Garrulax itself is extremely muddy. The earliest designated type, belangeri, has more recently been regarded as nude in the OD, which resulted in another type, rufifrons, being designated. If you found two different types indicated for these two names, it is likely that these corresponded to two different treatments of Garrulax. Not to two independent treatments of Garrulax and 'Garrulaxis'.)
andrew147
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great explanation, thank you
Jim LeNomenclatoriste
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For the keys, Amazetta, Amaz[ona] and the diminutive suffix -etta
l_raty
laurent raty
This is one that is possibly open to discussion.
Gloger C. 1827. Etwas über einige ornitologische Gattungsbenennungen. Notiz. Geb. Natur. Heilk. (Froriep), 16: 275-279.
p. 278 : Bd.16-18 1826-1827 - Notizen aus dem Gebiete der Natur- und Heilkunde - Biodiversity Heritage Library
This name was proposed for smaller species usually placed in Myiothera Illiger and bearing unusually long and woolly feathers on the back. But Gloger did not cite any species by an available name. In such cases the Code instructs us to look for the first subsequent work where nominal species cited by an available name are 'expressly' included in the new nominal genus: the nominal species included there, and no others, will be the nominal species eligible to become the type. If there is only one such nominal species, this is the type by subsequent monotypy; if there is more than one, we need a subsequent type designation. (There is no tautonymy option outside of the OD.)
- Cabanis 1847 Jahrg.13:Bd.1-2 (1847) - Archiv für Naturgeschichte - Biodiversity Heritage Library cited Gloger's name as a synonym of Formicivora Swainson and included 8 taxonomic species in the taxonomic genus denoted by the latter name (on a quick count, I found 17 nominal species cited by an available name), while simultaneously calling Motacilla grisea Gmelin its type.
- Gray 1855 Catalogue of the genera and subgenera of birds contained in the British Museum - Biodiversity Heritage Library also cited Gloger's name in the synonymy of Formicivora, while simultaneously calling Myiothera squamata Lichtenstein the type of the latter (and without including anything else).
- The only author who appears to have used Eriodora as a valid name while including a nominal species in it is Bangs 1898 v.12 (1898) - Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington - Biodiversity Heritage Library , who included Formicivora intermedia Cabanis.
- I failed to find any type designation directed directly towards Eriodora.
My current reading of the Code is that Cabanis' 17 nominal species may be regarded as the originally included nominal species of Eriodora; but that, short of an explicit statement that it does, a type designation directed towards a taxonomic genus cannot be construed as applying to a synonymized nominal genus included in this taxonomic genus. If so, an explicit designation of one of Cabanis' 17 nominal species as the type of the nominal genus Eriodora would be needed to fix the type. Having failed to find such a designation, I doubt the type is validly fixed -- it cannot, however, be squamata, because this species was not listed by Cabanis. Under this reading, Gray's action, if it had been the earliest inclusion of a nominal species in Eriodora, could have resulted in a type fixation os squamata by subsequent monotypy (not by subsequent designation); but Gray came after Cabanis, hence what he did had no effect whatsoever.
James Jobling
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Thank you, Laurent - correct and concise as ever - you should write a book! I have adjusted The Key accordingly.