New Binocular Bargains Thread (11 Viewers)

[Isthatascratch?]

Return are easy because Greentoe just gets the deal for you, and then you BUY the binocular from the dealer. For returns, you deal with the dealer you bought the binocular from. I returned a binocular that I bought through Greentoe and there were no problems. One thing you must never do is mention who the dealer is that you bought the binocular from on a public forum like this one, or you will get banned by Greentoe.

You may have a PhD, but you obviously don't know how to calculate the % difference in FOV between two different binoculars. Perhaps you missed class that day!

how much bgger in total area is 8.3 degree FOV binocular versus and 8 degree FOV binocular? - Google Search

You may have a PhD, but you obviously don't know how to calculate the % difference in FOV between two different binoculars. Perhaps you missed class that day!

how much bgger in total area is 8.3 degree FOV binocular versus and 8 degree FOV binocular? - Google Search

What does it matter, in the end it’s just glass, plastic and metal. You do acknowledge that some people prefer some binoculars over others and the reasons are visual, mechanical or physical fit. I do know that I picked up the Kowa, shoved it to my eyes and didn’t have to mess about for ages to get it right (like some with very wide views or finicky set-up)

That was me and I don’t wear glasses (except reading ones).

However, yesterday against strong backlight the best binocular to identify some birds was the 8x42 HD Trinovid as the colour rendition worked just right for me and made all the difference over an 8 x NL and 12 x EL. Yes it has deficiencies, but it got the job done !!!

What does doctor Phil say, you get nowhere ‘Right Fighting’ and ‘However thin you make a pancake it always has two sides’ …or was that Barney the Dinosaur?

I like reliable well built binoculars…eg Trinovid and Genesis. Fabulous views NL and Habicht, easy carry Ultravid 8x20.

 

[has530]

Your math is incorrect when computing the % difference in FOV between two different binoculars. Click on the link for the proper method.

Again...I know how to calculate the area of a circle. I think in your bigly brain you're having a difficult time grasping the difference between wider and "bigger". I am talking about linear angular field width. Also, I am not sure what your link was trying to show. It is just a Google search with a typo. However, it did amusingly bring up a post of yours in which you said:

I think I prefer an 8 degree binocular

which is pretty funny since your claim of the week™ is currently that an 8° field of view is "puny".

 

[Dennis Mau]

Again...I know how to calculate the area of a circle. I think in your bigly brain you're having a difficult time grasping the difference between wider and "bigger". I am talking about linear angular field width. Also, I am not sure what your link was trying to show. It is just a Google search with a typo. However, it did amusingly bring up a post of yours in which you said:

which is pretty funny since your claim of the week™ is currently that an 8° field of view is "puny".

Linear angular field width does not mean much because you are dealing with a CIRCLE when you are talking about the FOV of a binocular, not just the WIDTH. You have to compute the difference in the AREAS of the two circles based on their field width, which is A = πr 2. Your calculation does not accurately represent the total % difference in the two different size FOV's and will give an incorrect smaller % difference between the two binoculars. Here are the proper calculations.

 

[has530]

Linear angular field width does not mean much because you are dealing with a CIRCLE when you are talking about the FOV of a binocular, not just the WIDTH. You have to compute the difference in the AREAS of the two circles based on their field width, which is A = πr 2. Your calculation does not accurately represent the total % difference in the two different size FOV's and will give an incorrect smaller % difference between the two binoculars. Here are the proper calculations.

Again...I know how to calculate the area of a circle. I think in your bigly brain you're having a difficult time grasping the difference between wider and "bigger".

 

[tenex]

There is no "off" button; the idea of the moment is just on continual repeat. If bigger aperture is better, it's just always better, no matter what anyone else says or why. If area is the better way to judge FOV than width then it's just always the better way, and he'll keep saying that until the next idea of the moment comes along, or the end of the world, whichever occurs first. An idea simple enough to grasp can be so exciting.

 

[Dennis Mau]

There is no "off" button; the idea of the moment is just on continual repeat. If bigger aperture is better, it's just always better, no matter what anyone else says or why. If area is the better way to judge FOV than width then it's just always the better way, and he'll keep saying that until the next idea of the moment comes along, or the end of the world, whichever occurs first. An idea simple enough to grasp can be so exciting.

When you look through a binocular, you are looking at the total area of the two circles which merge to form one circle which is the FOV, not the field width. The field width is just the diameter of the circles and a linear measurement. The field width of an 8.0 degree FOV binocular is only 420 feet, but the total area of the circle is 138,440 square feet and the field width of an 8.3 degree FOV binocular is 435 feet, but the total area of the circle is 148,542 square feet. The binocular with an 8.3 degree FOV like the HG has 10,102 more square feet of observing area to look through at 100 yards, or over 7% more area in one dimension.

This concept is just common sense and should not be hard to understand. There is no better way, there is only one way to look at it. Now if you wanted to go into three dimensions it would really get interesting because you would have to know what the DOF of the binoculars were. For example, a 7x would have a greater DOF than a 8x, so the diameter of the sphere where objects would be in focus would be rounder or less like a disc than a 8x and consequently have more square feet of usable viewing area. The math would get interesting but not insurmountable, figuring out the usable FOV of a 7x compared to a 8x binocular if you used DOF as another variable.

 

[PatR]

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I have ordered a container load of these as the last lot sold out very quickly.

It saves marking your forehead.

 

[jgraider]

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I have ordered a container load of these as the last lot sold out very quickly.

It saves marking your forehead.

Better yet, just ignore this Dennis Mau clown, or denco, or whatever his name of the month is. The message is the same.......repetitive nonsense that adds nothing.

 

[PatR]

Better yet, just ignore this Dennis Mau clown, or denco, or whatever his name of the month is. The message is the same.......repetitive nonsense that adds nothing.

Oh he is on ignore since the last offensive comments he made to me. But I must admit to a strange, some might say peverse, fascination at his nonesensical ramblings which afford me a somewhat superior feeling when amongst people who do actually know what they are talking about and haven't as yet mastered his undoubted skill at 'cut and paste'.

 

[Isthatascratch?]

Oh he is on ignore since the last offensive comments he made to me. But I must admit to a strange, some might say peverse, fascination at his nonesensical ramblings which afford me a somewhat superior feeling when amongst people who do actually know what they are talking about and haven't as yet mastered his undoubted skill at 'cut and paste'.

As my mum used to say “always wants the last word!!!”

 

[Dennis Mau]

Here is a Zeiss SFL for $1094.36 on Greentoe. Great price when they retail for $1800!

ZEISS 8x40 SFL Binoculars 524023-0000-000 Greentoe

Buy ZEISS 8x40 SFL Binoculars featuring UHD Optics, ZEISS T* Multicoating, Wide 60° Apparent Angle of View, Lightweight, Rugged Magnesium Chassis. Review ZEISS 8x40

www.greentoe.com

 

[greekgeek]

Here is a Zeiss SFL for $1094.36 on Greentoe. Great price when they retail for $1800!

ZEISS 8x40 SFL Binoculars 524023-0000-000 Greentoe

Buy ZEISS 8x40 SFL Binoculars featuring UHD Optics, ZEISS T* Multicoating, Wide 60° Apparent Angle of View, Lightweight, Rugged Magnesium Chassis. Review ZEISS 8x40

www.greentoe.com

Nice to see this one is back in stock, zero regrets on buying one last time they were offered at this price via Greentoe. The 8x40 SFL is midsized 8x binocular nirvana in my book.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Nice to see this one is back in stock, zero regrets on buying one last time they were offered at this price via Greentoe. The 8x40 SFL is midsized 8x binocular nirvana in my book.

Especially for less than $1100. That is a great buy at that price. It is remarkable what good prices you can get through Greentoe.

 

[ArchStanton]

Nice to see this one is back in stock, zero regrets on buying one last time they were offered at this price via Greentoe. The 8x40 SFL is midsized 8x binocular nirvana in my book.

That's a pretty tempting price. Yesterday, I was visited a local nature shop and looked through the Vortex Razor HD 8x42's, Zeiss Conquest HDX 8x42's, and ZEISS SFL 8x40's. The CHDX's were noticeably sharper and brighter than the Razor HD's, and the SFL 8x40's were slightly clearer and brighter than the CHDX's. They didn't have any Kowa Genesis 8x33's in stock but only the BD II's, so I looked through the 8x32's and found them pretty clear and bright for the price. I should have looked at the CHDX 8x32's but ran out of time.

 

[N7XW]

Eurooptic.com has the Razor UHD 8x42 for $900. There are 2 sku's for this bin and apparently they are the same except for the accessories. The one sku is normally priced at $1700 or so and the other is on sale for $900.

 

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[Cavendish]

Zeiss are doing another promotion from 1st April until 9th June, offering up to £400 cashback depending upon which model you buy. (You don't have to buy from Zeiss directly)

 

[PatR]

Zeiss are doing another promotion from 1st April until 9th June, offering up to £400 cashback depending upon which model you buy. (You don't have to buy from Zeiss directly)

Oh no.

I fear a long stay on the naughty step.

 

[Cavendish]

Oh no.

I fear a long stay on the naughty step.

Looks like I should have added a disclaimer re not being responsible for any marital disharmony! What's on the shopping list?

Must admit I'm tempted by a Conquest 8x32 HDX. It just does so many things well even if it's a bit of a lump and the view is, to my eyes at least, just a bit clinical. The alternative being a 8x42 UV. Decisions, decisions...

 

[PatR]

Looks like I should have added a disclaimer re not being responsible for any marital disharmony! What's on the shopping list?

Must admit I'm tempted by a Conquest 8x32 HDX. It just does so many things well even if it's a bit of a lump and the view is, to my eyes at least, just a bit clinical. The alternative being a 8x42 UV. Decisions, decisions...

If I didn't have the HD 8x32's I would be very tempted but I couldn't find much difference between them TBH so with the money I have saved (family accounting scam) I might just go down the Victory Pocket 8x25 route to see if they have changed much from the Hungarian made ones I had years ago and which were a bit pants.