New Product Introduction Today From Swarovski ? (7 Viewers)

[Chosun Juan]

Gijs, Jan,

Is the little cleaning set really just a trinket ? Or is it a more serious attempt at COVID-19 hygiene protocol at this time, for when the binocular is passed between different users ? Have any of the reps or marketing/ advertising material mentioned that ?

Wow - these unboxing videos are really the pinnacle of human achievement ! We should probably engrave one on the gold disc for Voyager 3 when it gets sent out beyond the solar system so that alien civilizations really get an idea of what we are all about ! :-O

The guy who did that was obviously top shelf ! Perhaps the brush and soap is just for cleaning the leftover crumbs of 'snacks' (stored in the excess space in the binocular bag) off your bin !

Is there a complementary video for watching branded 'Swarovski paint' dry ?? .......... it will be hard to know which one of the 2 to make my favourite ! 3








Chosun :gh:

 

[Vespobuteo]

Rotherbirder, post 737,
Binoculars used in DEET covered hands damage their rubber armor quicky. I assume that soap and brush is also used to clean the binocular armor to prevent DEET damage for example. It must be cheaper for Swarovski then the application (for free) of new rubber armor.
Gijs van Ginkel

Thanks for the soap-explanation. I thought the soap was some Corona-related thing.

 

[jremmons]

Justin, post 711,
I do not quite understand your comments with regard to the comparison between the Zeiss HT and the Swarovision EL 8,5x42. I wrote in that test report comparing these binoculars that you can see a difference in brightness and that is not so strange since the transmission differences are large enough to allow this, see the test report on the WEB-site of House of Outdoor.
I assume that you made a typing error and where you wrote HT you perhaps meant the NL.
With regard to that matter: both Jan van Daalen and myself and in the meantime also others observed a difference in brightness between the NL 10x42 and the EL-SV 10x42. Considering the probably very small difference in transmission between both binoculars other reasons must be taken into account. One of the may be the difference in overall color balance between both binoculars, but we will now more when both binoculars are investigated in more detail.
Gijs van Ginkel

Hi Gijs,
Apologies if my post caused confusion, I was not referencing your comparative tests (which are fantastic and always great reads by the way - you are one of the few reliable sources on these kinds of data we have available), but rather some of your initial comments after brief viewing sessions with the HT that you made in the thread 'Here are the Victory HTs" (or something to that effect).

That was why I meant that until we get to the comparative report stage, these initial comments should veer on the more reserved side. Until you have the other model in hand in similar conditions, it is difficult to evaluate direct improvements in top tier glass, in my opinion.

I do agree that there may be other, hidden changes not directly related to the transmission, e.g. improved/different baffling, changes to color balance, etc.

Justin

 

[NDhunter]

I’m very curious to know how firm the diopter adjuster is and will hold still. Also if the focus wheel has the same “easier one way than the other” feel to it, and if it’s supported on each side like a motorcycle wheel or just one side like a car wheel.

Rusty:

Do you have any experience with the EL, or are you just a...:-C

Jerry

 

[Kammerdiner]

Re: eurooptic, I drove past their storefront today. Rather imposing but I am not in the market for anything. Covid and all. I did once stop by their former storefront and well they had a lot of guns. But I walked about with a bino or two.

In the hinterland, you have to know your stuff or you go out of business.

As for soap? It's like those optic cloths. A freebie that you may soon have way too much of. I got a cleaning cloth with an Arca plate once. I'm like, WHAT??

 

[John A Roberts]

I’ve yet to see any clear comparative images of the NL and it’s EL x42 counterpart,
so based on the following I’ve cobbled one together using two Swarovski stock images

Regarding the size of the x42 NL verses the x42 EL FieldPro . . .

From the respective data sheets, the listed dimensions with the same 64 mm IPD adjustment are:
• Length: 158 mm (6.2") vs 160 mm (6.3")

• Width: 131 mm (5.1”) vs 131 mm (5.2")

• Height: 71 mm (2.8") va 61 mm (2.4")
. . .

In particular it may give those with access to an EL x42 some idea of the NL’s handling


John

 

[Dennis Mau]

I’ve yet to see any clear comparative images of the NL and it’s EL x42 counterpart,
so based on the following I’ve cobbled one together using two Swarovski stock images




In particular it may give those with access to an EL x42 some idea of the NL’s handling


John

John. Very nice! Thanks! The old EL is actually bigger in length and width but the NL is a little taller with the higher focuser. The old EL looks bigger and bulkier next to the new NL with its slimmer tubes especially.

 

[Vespobuteo]

I’ve yet to see any clear comparative images of the NL and it’s EL x42 counterpart,
so based on the following I’ve cobbled one together using two Swarovski stock images

In particular it may give those with access to an EL x42 some idea of the NL’s handling

John

Swaro did a great job with the physical/exterior design of the NL. Makes me wonder if they worked with some Italian design team. :t:

 

[lmans66]

They borrowed the design from the HT.....I loved the design on the HT and it is perfect for ergonomics but many on this forum hated the HT design. Will be interesting to see how this plays out, as 'us'-- 'HT-er's' --listen in

 

[Dennis Mau]

They borrowed the design from the HT.....I loved the design on the HT and it is perfect for ergonomics but many on this forum hated the HT design. Will be interesting to see how this plays out, as 'us'-- 'HT-er's' --listen in

I can't see how the NL's design is borrowed from the Zeiss HT as far as the tube design. The HT has the same normal big fat "Rocket Shaped" tubes as most Zeiss. Nowhere near as ergonomic as the new slimmer molded tubes of the NL. The NL's are molded like they took a piece of clay and made impressions on them to exactly conform to your hands.

 

[Vespobuteo]

They borrowed the design from the HT.....I loved the design on the HT and it is perfect for ergonomics but many on this forum hated the HT design. Will be interesting to see how this plays out, as 'us'-- 'HT-er's' --listen in

Yes, very much so, it's a bit of a HT-rip-off but with a refined twist that is enough to look innovative IMO. I loved the HT-design, very intuitive ergonomics.

 

[PHA]

Hi,

I see the NL focus wheel location a clear improvement over the ELs. And, yes, is very similar to HT in this. A much more natural and intuitive wheel position.

Best!

PHA

 

[Sagittarius]

I suppose it's a fair trade with Swarovski copying the HT focus wheel and Zeiss copying the EL body style with their SF.
I do love the focus wheel of my HT better than any other I've ever felt before.
Would love to get a Swarovski NL 12x42 and Zeiss 10x32 SF knowing they both have the same focus wheel. :t:

 

[Chosun Juan]

I’ve yet to see any clear comparative images of the NL and it’s EL x42 counterpart,
so based on the following I’ve cobbled one together using two Swarovski stock images


In particular it may give those with access to an EL x42 some idea of the NL’s handling


John

I can't see how the NL's design is borrowed from the Zeiss HT as far as the tube design. The HT has the same normal big fat "Rocket Shaped" tubes as most Zeiss. Nowhere near as ergonomic as the new slimmer molded tubes of the NL. The NL's are molded like they took a piece of clay and made impressions on them to exactly conform to your hands.

Thanks John - nice comparo ! Would have a few early commenters eating their words ! :eat: :-O

I'm (along I imagine with Zeiss, Leica, et al) really very interested in seeing the first actual physical cutaways of this bin from both a design and a manufacturing viewpoint. I wonder whether Swarovski has room to slide the completed S-P unit into the tubes, or has had to come up with further assembly innovations .... ?






Chosun :gh:

 

[Chosun Juan]

Yes, very much so, it's a bit of a HT-rip-off but with a refined twist that is enough to look innovative IMO. I loved the HT-design, very intuitive ergonomics.

Hi,

I see the NL focus wheel location a clear improvement over the ELs. And, yes, is very similar to HT in this. A much more natural and intuitive wheel position.

Best!

PHA

It is interesting that there are more than a few big fans of the HT's ergonomics (actual focus wheel smoothness, and optics aside) - even finding it "intuitive" !

I found the ergonomics distinctly 'un-intuitive' :eek!:
Not nearly as hands forward contrived as the SF, but closely related.

Maybe that's what this NL forehead rest thingymabob is really all about ? - cancelling out all the hands forward induced shoulder tremors .... ??

I'm much more a fan of the Zen ED3/Swarovski x50 SV/Nikon x42 MHG ergonomics - they, to me, feel 'natural'.

I guess a lot of folks haven't been blessed by the great handling of the ED3 and are just 'making do' with what they've got ! :-O








Chosun :gh:

 

[Mark9473]

I’ve yet to see any clear comparative images of the NL and it’s EL x42 counterpart,
so based on the following I’ve cobbled one together using two Swarovski stock images

John, it doesn't look right to me that, compared to the EL, the new NL would have narrower objective barrels and narrower eyepieces and smaller neckstrap attachment things.

 

[Dennis Mau]

John, it doesn't look right to me that, compared to the EL, the new NL would have narrower objective barrels and narrower eyepieces and smaller neckstrap attachment things.

John's picture looks pretty close compared to this actual side by side picture of the NL and the EL.

 

[John A Roberts]

Hi Mark (post #756),

It’s difficult to know how accurate I’ve been as we have limited information at this stage. But I think that I’m reasonably close

What should be constants (e.g. the hawk logo, and the base of the FieldPro connector studs) are the same size
And interestingly this results in the eyecups having the same diameter

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I'd refrained from using the image that Dennis posted, as it has considerable perspective distortion
e.g. note the shape of the rectangular piece of paper underneath the binoculars
(the original is at: https://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/just-released-swarovski-nl-pure-binocular-line#gs.bh2ki8 )

Though the 2 images side by side as in Dennis' post, seem to work


John

 

[NDhunter]

I think the new NL should be compared to the Zeiss Victory SF. The HT is gone, so no comparison there.

The EL does have the focuser mounted much higher and not as easy to use. I have experience, and it is one
big reason the SF is better than the SV, and that is in ergos. I call the optics a tie, but I really enjoy a great
handling binocular.

As far as the NL, more comparisons will be forthcoming it seems.

It would be nice if someone could post a photo of the NL and the Zeiss Victory SF, side by side.

Jerry

 

[dries1]

Regarding the new design of the Swarovski NL going away from the bridge, to a conventional design could have been made for other reasons.
The original design left the focus mechanism little room for placement of linkage, and I would gander that many of the repairs for the SVs going in for service was for the focus. I had an issue with one (focus needed service) but one can imagine a hard core user moving that focus daily for hours, it will need service. The diopter design is fine as it is, but the focus could be another story.
The new NL to me shows a focus which will have more of a direct drive connect to the movement of lens in the body, (more robust) say like the SF/HT, or a UV.
Time will tell how the Noctivid with the open bridge performs and what the likely problems going in for service will be. Focus issues perhaps?

So perhaps Swarovski wanted to make a design that would curtail maintenance issues related to the focus was also in the thought process in the design of the new NL. Less maintenance on a high end glass would mean more profit down the road, if the glass could go for years without maintenance for the focus.

Andy W.