NL >=50 mm versions? (2 Viewers)

[Arne Bischoff]

Welcome to Birdforum!

Thankyou!

I don't quite see this... if true, why didn't you already get NL 10x42? I've been using 10 and 15x for 30+ years now (8 and 15 initially but never mind) and it still strikes me as the perfect combination.

You're right. I should have bought the NL 10x42 in the first place. But I was absolutely fascinated by the resolution and handholdability of the 12x. For daytime use, I love it. But I do a lot of bird monitoring in dusk or dim light and dark woods for the local national park and here the exit pupil of the 12x42 is a major constraint. This is why I bought the EL 8,5x42 for a really healthy discount later. The 5mm exit pupil is enough for my 42 year old eyes in lowlight and I did not want a 56 bc it's just too big. In theory, this makes for a perfect combination. Both are optically excellent, lightweight, portable and I have always the right tool for the job:

• Daytime observations, wide spaces, long distance: NL 12x42
• Low-light birding, woodlands: EL 8,5x42

But this is where my indiosyncrasies kick in. Which ever bino I take for the day, I wonder, if the other would not have been better in this occasion. When I take the EL, I miss the hyper clarity and detail. If I take the NL, I miss the low light performance of the 5mm exit pupil. This is stupid and I know it. I tried the EL10x50, but the eye relief is not large enough for my glasses. It is noticeably tighter than the 8,5x42 and it's annoying although the overall view is great.

And this is where I have high hopes in the NL 10x52. I could sell both my binos and have one glass to rule them all. I know, 10x is working for me in terms of detail and I would have the light of the large exit pupil.

So this is my reasoning. Sorry for oversharing, but you asked (kinda)

 

[wllmspd]

Probably going to be fairly weighty… I use 8x30 in the daytime for a reason.

Peter

 

[Owlbarred]

14x52??? As ridiculous as carrying a telescope into a museum or movie theater. The perfect example of why try before you buy is so important, for everything from used cars to binoculars. Talk about a shaky image.

 

[quincy88]

Wow, the prospect of a 14x52 seems unpopular. I would definitely buy a pair of 14s. I was actually hoping for 15s. I use my 15x56s a lot.

 

[tenex]

Sorry for oversharing, but you asked (kinda)

Thanks, I did, exactly. And your reasoning makes sense; even a 4.2mm EP might not have been ideal for this range of uses, but 5.2 should be. In the spirit of confession, I also have SLC 10x56 and expect you will be very happy with the performance of the 10x52... as long as you don't have other more convenient bins to compete with it. Now we can just start guessing what the 52s will weigh: around 36oz/1020g?

 

[Arne Bischoff]

Thanks, I did, exactly. And your reasoning makes sense; even a 4.2mm EP might not have been ideal for this range of uses, but 5.2 should be. In the spirit of confession, I also have SLC 10x56 and expect you will be very happy with the performance of the 10x52... as long as you don't have other more convenient bins to compete with it. Now we can just start guessing what the 52s will weigh: around 36oz/1020g?

SW made a huge push with the 999 g of the EL50. It was a bit marketing bs obviously, measured without caps and straps and all. Like weighing a bicycle without pedals and grease and inner tubes or sealant. Given the NL42 is pretty much the same weight as the EL42, I reckon the NL52 will be closer to 1,100g.
If they pull 1,000g of, they gonna make a big deal of it communication-wise.

 

[The BulbMogul]

SW made a huge push with the 999 g of the EL50. It was a bit marketing bs obviously, measured without caps and straps and all. Like weighing a bicycle without pedals and grease and inner tubes or sealant. Given the NL42 is pretty much the same weight as the EL42, I reckon the NL52 will be closer to 1,100g.
If they pull 1,000g of, they gonna make a big deal of it communication-wise.

you can get a set of Lightweight Meilenstein Carbon Cycle Wheels 950grams a set also...

 

[Arne Bischoff]

I think the glass is immediately going to drop. Another German shop listed the 10x52 it for 3,500 EUR (And discounted it right away. I deem both, the early listing and the discount to get on top of the google search over the big shops). So I think we can take this for the confirmed price for Central Europe with 20 % VAT.

Swarovski Fernglas NL Pure 10x52

#html-body [data-pb-style=VF02IUQ]{justify-content:flex-start;display:flex;flex-direction:column;background-position:left top;background-size:cover;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-attachment:scroll}Das NL Pure 10x52 ist ein Profi-Fernglas für anspr

www.fotomeyer.de

 

[Arne Bischoff]

you can get a set of Lightweight Meilenstein Carbon Cycle Wheels 950grams a set also...

But you know what those puppies cost
I am more of a mountainbike guy anyway. So ruggedness over weight for me.

 

[The BulbMogul]

But you know what those puppies cost
I am more of a mountainbike guy anyway. So ruggedness over weight for me.

Yah have a few sets of them on my road bikes...

 

[crinklystarfish]

you can get a set of Lightweight Meilenstein Carbon Cycle Wheels 950grams a set also...

But, like a lot of high-end binoculars, are they actually faster in real-world, average-consumer conditions than a good set of Chinese straight-to-consumer carbon aero-wheels at a tenth of the price?

 

[John A Roberts]

Another listing for the NL 14x52 has appeared (but seemingly without a corresponding one for the 10x52 version).
The listing lacks any relevant details, other than the price of €3,550, including 20% VAT:

Swarovski Fernglas NL Pure 14x52

NL Pure 14x52 Das NL Pure 14x52 ermöglicht atemberaubende Beobachtungsmomente, wenn es auf jedes noch so kleine Detail ankommt. Besonders bei schwierigen Lichtverhältnissen offenbart sich die wahre Stärke des NL Pure 52. Der Objektivdurchmesser beträgt 52 Millimeter und sorgt dafür, dass...

www.kettner.com

(The technical details shown in the listing are for the current 12x42 version.)


John

 

[agus_m]

I think the glass is immediately going to drop. Another German shop listed the 10x52 it for 3,500 EUR (And discounted it right away. I deem both, the early listing and the discount to get on top of the google search over the big shops). So I think we can take this for the confirmed price for Central Europe with 20 % VAT.

Swarovski Fernglas NL Pure 10x52

#html-body [data-pb-style=VF02IUQ]{justify-content:flex-start;display:flex;flex-direction:column;background-position:left top;background-size:cover;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-attachment:scroll}Das NL Pure 10x52 ist ein Profi-Fernglas für anspr

www.fotomeyer.de

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3100? That is practically the price of the x42 version. x50 are always more expensive than x42, hopefully this means there will be a discount for latter.

 

[VS007]

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They confirm by phone there 2 new models
I want to visit this event so wait for a pictures)

 

[DRodrigues]

My original post resulted from 2 facts:
1 - after using many years 15x56, I had a opportunity to either get a NL 12x42 or go for other optical material and get finally an IS binocular... As to my cr-birding use, the 12x42 wouldn't increase resighting efficiency, I decided to go for a Canon 18x50 IS and use the difference of costs to get other material that resulted on some tests X derivations and improved solutions (see also CR BinoBirding);
2 - As I "seen the IS light", I was wishing for a Swaro NL IS... However, in face of the few information that came out until last week new informations, I was thinking of a potential NL 12x52 to replace my old Leica Trinovid 10x50, for dusk duck counts and general birding... The idea was to get a wide AFOV binocular without loosing FOV and light. Since the last week information confirmed a NL 14x52, I will have to go for a NL 10x52, so gaining AFOV, FOV and light at dusk... ...

 

[NDhunter]

There are many satisfied users of the 15x56 SLC, the best Big Eyes binocular available.
And they are priced at around $2,300.
If the new NL 14x52 is priced at $4,000. that is an obstacle.
Jerry

 

[quincy88]

There are many satisfied users of the 15x56 SLC, the best Big Eyes binocular available.
And they are priced at around $2,300.
If the new NL 14x52 is priced at $4,000. that is an obstacle.
Jerry

Hmmm... Yeah, that is a pretty tough price to overcome. It was just a couple of years ago when the NL 42s got me over the $3k hurdle.