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North American splits (1 Viewer)
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mb1848
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American planetree Nuthatch? Sycamore has other meanings outside of North America.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steffro1/5592113430 .
I like for the name of the eastern bird Catesby's Nuthatch. Sitta carolinensis Latham is based on Brisson who based it on Catesby’s Sitta capite nigro Natural History Carolina, Florida, and Bahaman islands I, 1753 p. 22, pl. 22 .
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypl...sLabel=Catesby, Mark&sort=&imgs=20&pos=26&e=w .
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lewis20126
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I agree that retaining "White-breasted" for the eastern bird is madness. Almost anything else is preferable. On a par with SACC's Tristan Penguin.
cheers, alan
cheers, alan
Xenospiza
Distracted
“Eastern” would be fine by me (cf. - Bluebird, - Kingbird, - Wood-Pewee). I had actually listed it as Eastern White-breasted Nuthatch, which is quite cumbersome. For Asia “Oriental” is available in the not entirely hypothetical case some eastern nuthatch needs to be split.
I used “Interior” for tenuissima.
Is splitting Mexican and Great Basin not a bit over the top though? The split is not that old and mixed haplotypes occur in the same population... (e.g. in the Black Hills, where I've seen it!)
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Richard Klim
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White-breasted Nuthatch
Wrt my (rather presumptuous) post #37, the IOC World Bird Names website doesn't explicitly state that Sitta carolinensis sensu stricto would retain the name White-breasted Nuthatch... :h?:
Wrt my (rather presumptuous) post #37, the IOC World Bird Names website doesn't explicitly state that Sitta carolinensis sensu stricto would retain the name White-breasted Nuthatch... :h?:
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Snapdragyn
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I believe it's Mexican that is poorly named as far as extent of range goes - it's the one that goes right up the Rocky Mountains into southern Canada! Great Basin is at least more restricted, even if Mexican is also found in some of the southern Great Basin (in the geographical sense).
Richard Klim
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White-breasted Nuthatch
'Great Basin Nuthatch' Sitta tenuissima represents the ESNNR (Eastern Sierra Nevada and Northern Rockies) clade.
Yes, 'Mexican Nuthatch' Sitta lagunae represents the RGM (Rocky Mountain, Great Basin and Mexico) clade.
'Great Basin Nuthatch' Sitta tenuissima represents the ESNNR (Eastern Sierra Nevada and Northern Rockies) clade.
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Forgive a European, but I feel there's way too much americism going on here. The comparison with the bluebirds, kingbirds and wood-pewees halter. They're all restricted to the Americas, the nuthatches are definitely not. "Eastern" is therefore just dead wrong. If "Eastern" ever occurs as a modifier to a cosmopolitan bird group (and not part of a dichotomy), it refers to the Orient (Eastern Curlew, for instance).
Strange? The Great Basin conjures images of arid badlands and sagebrush. It is an established geographic feature of western North America.
Carlos
Frank Gill
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Wow...what a buzz! 
These initial names are just placeholders. Recommended English names for these candidates await discussion and decisions on species taxonomy. Hopefully the AOU/NACC will weigh in.
These initial names are just placeholders. Recommended English names for these candidates await discussion and decisions on species taxonomy. Hopefully the AOU/NACC will weigh in.
Although I find myself residing in the old world, in my book "Common" is a whole lot worse
I have no problems with "Eastern" and "Western" if it refers to species groups or pairs restricted to the Americas.
Kirk Roth
Rarely to be taken seriously
"Slender-billed Nuthatch" would be a good name for tenuissima, if only the term had not been less appropriately used for aculeata for many years.
"Stout-billed Nuthatch" (or something like it), works for the Rocky Mt./Mexican clade, though getting less and less appropriate the further south they go.
Bent called I]tenuissima[/I] the "Inyo Nuthatch." For more fun with Arthur Bent:
http://www.birdzilla.com/birds/White-breasted-Nuthatch/bent_life_history.html
"Stout-billed Nuthatch" (or something like it), works for the Rocky Mt./Mexican clade, though getting less and less appropriate the further south they go.
Bent called I]tenuissima[/I] the "Inyo Nuthatch." For more fun with Arthur Bent:
http://www.birdzilla.com/birds/White-breasted-Nuthatch/bent_life_history.html
cuckooroller
Registered User
It has been years since I have thought of A.C. Bent. I still have the entire series stowed away in California. Who knows if they are worth anything...
Richard Klim
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Sitta (carolinensis) tenuissima
Joseph Grinnell named Sitta carolinensis tenuissima 'Inyo Slender-billed Nuthatch':
- Grinnell 1918. Seven New or Noteworthy Birds from East-central California. Condor 20(2): 86–90.
GMK
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You could pretty much purchase a complete set using Abe Books for less than some people spend on twitching a long-distance rarity in the UK, and the postage would be the larger part of the damage. And, in some ways, quite right too; paper is far more renewable a resource than fuel.
Richard Klim
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ABA Birding
Ref: AOU-NACC Proposal 2013-C-2 (failed). [pdf] [votes & comments]
Mlodinow 2014. Cryptic Species: The White-breasted Nuthatches. Birding 46(3): 26–32. [pdf]
Ref: AOU-NACC Proposal 2013-C-2 (failed). [pdf] [votes & comments]
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Richard Klim
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MichaelRetter
Michael L. P. Retter
The 2014 Supplement is out. Here's a run-down. http://blog.aba.org/2014/07/2014-aou-check-list-supplement-is-out.html
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