Red-tailed Shrike? (1 Viewer)

[tconzemi]

All I can add is that outer tail feather is too long and bill to slender for a classical Brown

 

[THE_FERN]

Same bird ?

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[I think I see the same tail feather structure in both images (taking difference in angle etc into account). Of course, these may not in fact be the same individual but they seem so to me.]

 

[JinhoKim]

아래에서 꼬리를 보여주는 앉은 새의 사진이 있나요? 갈색 찌르레기에게는 꼬리가 짧아 보이는데, 붉은꼬리도 바깥쪽 꼬리깃이 좀 더 짧기 때문에 바깥쪽 꼬리깃이 충분히 짧은지 궁금합니다.

 

[JinhoKim]

"저는 2025년 1월 12일에 한국 김포에서 이 새를 촬영했습니다. 붉은꼬리때까마귀(Lanius phoenicuroides)일 수 있을까요?"

 

[CARERY]

Cracking shots, JinhoKim! One can see the shortest (outermost) tail feather is distinctly shorter than the longest, which makes it a Brown Shrike, I'd say. Interesting bird nevertheless!

 

[Alexandre]

Same bird ?

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Hello,
Long P1 of the perched one - but I assume it s the same bird in flight - makes it a Brown Shrike.
Nice shots by the way!

Regards,

Alexandre

 

[JinhoKim]

Cracking shots, JinhoKim! One can see the shortest (outermost) tail feather is distinctly shorter than the longest, which makes it a Brown Shrike, I'd say. Interesting bird nevertheless!

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I agree that the difference in the lengths of R6 and R5 is a key identification point for the Brown Shrike. However, I believe that the lengths of P9 and P8 are different from those of the Brown Shrike. What are your thoughts on this?
Thank you.

 

[CARERY]

Just to avoid confusion, by p9 and p8 you refer to the two outermost long primaries, right? Here at birdforum most count the other way round (p10 = p1, p9 = p2, p8 = p3 ect.)... I will use the more common way of counting.

Judging relative lenght of primaries on a bird in motion is not reliable. If you look at your photos on some p2 appears significantly shorter than p3 in others not so much. We would ideally need a shot of the perched bird with slightly open wing. But agree that p2 appears to be rather long for Brown. Also concerning p1 - thanks for bringing this up Alexandre - it is long, but is it long enough? Same could be said for the outermost tail feather, is it short enough for a pure Brown?

I'm tempted to consider a hybrid Red-tailed X Brown Shrike... What do others say?

 

[FormerMemberfor15years]

Just to avoid confusion, by p9 and p8 you refer to the two outermost long primaries, right? Here at birdforum most count the other way round (p10 = p1, p9 = p2, p8 = p3 ect.)... I will use the more common way of counting.

Judging relative lenght of primaries on a bird in motion is not reliable. If you look at your photos on some p2 appears significantly shorter than p3 in others not so much. We would ideally need a shot of the perched bird with slightly open wing. But agree that p2 appears to be rather long for Brown. Also concerning p1 - thanks for bringing this up Alexandre - it is long, but is it long enough? Same could be said for the outermost tail feather, is it short enough for a pure Brown?

I'm tempted to consider a hybrid Red-tailed X Brown Shrike... What do others say?

If we conclude to an hybrid here, by range, Lanius cristatus X Lanius isabellinus is much more likely than Lanius cristatus X Lanius phoenicuroides.