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Safari (and general birding) binocular? (1 Viewer)

Which one of the following would you most want to get for a safari and general birding?

  • NL Pure 10X52

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • NL Pure 10X42

    Votes: 9 24.3%
  • Noctivid 10X42

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • NL Pure 8X42

    Votes: 13 35.1%
  • Noctivid 8X42

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • Total voters
    37
Not obvious but a 25mm objective has a surface area that is 56% greater than a 20mm objective and so is going to transmit half again as much light. I get a much better view with my 10x25 binoculars and they are still small enough to fit in a jacket pocket and weigh only 12 ounces or only 4 ounces more than the Leica and comparable in size.
 
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Not obvious but a 25mm objective has a surface area that is 56% greater than a 20mm objective and so is going to transmit half again as much light. I get a much better view with my 10x25 binoculars and they are still small enough to fit in a jacket pocket and weigh only 12 ounces or only 4 ounces more than the Leica and comparable in size.
I prefer 8x42 when feasible. Leica 8x32 if I need something more compact. I do not bother with anything smaller. Costs to much in terms of eye comfort and fov. Just my two cents, based on my priorities.
 
The difference is having binoculars that inside their case fit in a jacket pocket as compared to my full size binoculars that sit at home much of the time or are not usable while doing wildlife photography. If all I ever did was walk around and spot birds it would be different and on those occasions the 16x42 image stablized are my first choice. Out on the ocean at night a 7x50 was by far the best option and I only needed enough detail to identify channel markers and harbor entrances (you would be surprised how many boaters miss harbor entrances, even very experienced ones).
 
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The difference is having binoculars that inside their case fit in a jacket pocket as compared to my full size binoculars that sit at home much of the time or are not usable while doing wildlife photography. If all I ever did was walk around and spot birds it would be different and on those occasions the 16x42 image stablized are my first choice. Out on the ocean at night a 7x50 was by far the best option and I only needed enough detail to identify channel markers and harbor entrances (you would be surprised how many boaters miss harbor entrances, even very experienced ones).
I do not doubt that you have chosen binoculars that suits you and that you are happy with them.

Sorry if I offended you, but I do think your choice is not the best recommendation for general safari use. You spend a lot of time a vehicle, probably on very bumpy roads. Yes, you stop for important sightings, but the vehicle can be cramped. Akward viewing positions etc. Do not dismiss the advantages of a decent exit pupil and a wide fov. You cannot under any circumstances leave the vehicle, that is only permitted in safe resting places.

Earlier I used my D500 and a 4.2 kg tele lens, now I use my Z9 and 600 or 800 mm lenses. I also always bring my 8x40 binoculars. Never have any problems handling/carrying both camera and binos at the same time. And I am both old and weak. My wife prefers her 8x32 which also performs very well. On a safari my binoculars are always around my neck, never in a pocket.

Regarding stabilized binos. I never use binoculars with more magnification than 10x. I cannot hold them steady enough. Stabilized binos might suit you, but then you have to accept the weight, reliance on batteries, narrow fov, etc. Above 10x I prefer a scope on a sturdy tripod. Only scope magnifications (25-45x) make the difference to ordinary binoculars worthwhile for me. You do not need a scope on a safari. It might be nice to have but it is at the very bottom on my priority list. You cannot use a tripod in a safari vehicle. If I go without my wife I never bring a scope. If she comes along she brings a scope, but then we are on a birding trip, not a safari.
 
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My stabilized Sig Sauer 16x42 weigh only 22 ounces or less than many of my other binoculars. It uses a single AA battery and the one I put them in July of last year is still in use. My standard battery is the AA for most of my equipment that needs replaceable batteries.

As for the tripod there are safari operators who have gimbaled arms to hold a heavy lens for the customers and I have seen these on both land vehicles and on small boats. In choosing an operator I would pick one that has these available.

I have learned over the years to do research and be selective in picking a particular operator. In the Pantanal I saw people riding on benches mounted in the bed of trucks and completely exposed to dirt from the road. I saw people trying to use a tripod along wit a dozen other photographers in the same boat. For the same cost my wife and I had the exclusive use of an air conditioner car on the roads and our own boat and driver on the rivers. When using a telephoto lens we would have the driver beach the boat to minimize any rocking and then make use of a monopod. It pays to do as much research as possible before selecting an operator and to not make assumptions about what is being provided.
 
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My stabilized Sig Sauer 16x42 weigh only 22 ounces or less than many of my other binoculars. It uses a single AA battery and the one I put them in July of last year is still in use. My standard battery is the AA for most of my equipment that needs replaceable batteries.

As for the tripod there are safari operators who have gimbaled arms to hold a heavy lens for the customers and I have seen these on both land vehicles and on small boats. In choosing an operator I would pick one that has these available.

I have learned over the years to do research and be selective in picking a particular operator. In the Pantanal I saw people riding on benches mounted in the bed of trucks and completely exposed to dirt from the road. I saw people trying to use a tripod along wit a dozen other photographers in the same boat. For the same cost my wife and I had the exclusive use of an air conditioner car on the roads and our own boat and driver on the rivers. When using a telephoto lens we would have the driver beach the boat to minimize any rocking and then make use of a monopod. It pays to do as much research as possible before selecting an operator and to not make assumptions about what is being provided.
Some people like stabilized binoculars. 16x is lot of magnification. It means that your stabo has a limited fov. Most 8x42s have fovs which are at least twice as wide. Dof is shallow. I would avoid your stabos or anything like that for general birding. Both your choices have exit pupils in the 2.5mm range. I prefer something much wider. Most safaris include at least one nocturnal trip. I find your choices very strange, but of course, you are free to choose any tools you like.

Most people cannot afford luxury safaris. Besides, such safaris are not always feasible. I do not select safaris according to the level of luxury they provide. I choose travel destinations according to what they offer in terms of sightings. Sometimes it means rough and primitive. Safaris and birding tours are not always in the big and most famous national parks. For birders wanting to see more than lions and elephants, a safari may mean 4x4s, guides, drivers, a cook, a field kitchen, small tents and a latrine pit far from the comforts of civilization. The conditions are no surprise. In Serengeti and other hot spots you may encounter charter tourists tightly packed into small minivans. That is true. In many countries locals on truck beds seem to a common means of transportation, but this far I have never seen tourists as truck cargo.

This is supposed to be a bird forum, not a general wildlife forum. Fixed photo support in safari vehicles may be very nice for buffalos or lions in front of you. In my experence, for everything else they have limited value.

Safari is a swahili word. Safari is an african thing. The term safari has spread (unfortunately), but I would not use the word safari in e.g. Latin America or Mongolia.

I have used tripods since I started out. I still use them, in a hide, on the beach, etc. but not on a safari. Much to restrictive. As primarily a birder I like to be prepared for anything in any direction. Including the sky above, which is very difficult or impossible in a safari vehicle. I had to learn to handle my earlier heavy tele without support. Today light 400, 600 and 800 mm lenses can be handled relatively easily without. I may use a monopod to ease the load, but there is rarely time to adjust it for e.g. birds in flight.
 
Some people like stabilized binoculars. 16x is lot of magnification. It means that your stabo has a limited fov. Most 8x42s have fovs which are at least twice as wide. Dof is shallow. I would avoid your stabos or anything like that for general birding. Both your choices have exit pupils in the 2.5mm range. I prefer something much wider. Most safaris include at least one nocturnal trip.
There's one stabilized binocular that works very well for birding - the Canon 10x42 L IS. Its disadvantages are of course the size and weight. But it's the only pair I know that has got very good optics and a wide enough FOV.

If I were to go on a safari that's the pair I would take.

Hermann
 
I think the "safari" theme has by now been overdone, as the OP intends to use the same bin for years of birding afterward. I would be glad to take my personal favorite bin on a safari even if it wasn't considered quite perfect for that purpose.
 
I have serious doubts about the whole "binoculars for hunting or safari, vs those for birding" concept.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

Perhaps someone will educate me.
Just a guess because I never been on a safari and probably never will but the animal size might be different. More lions and elephants and probably observing from a jeep or something. So a higher magnification might work (compared to the standard 8x) as you can probably rest your arms somewhere or even have a monopod in the car or something.
I'd take a 15x56 for a safari. Something I'd never use for birding.
But I might be wrong and there's far more quick moving birds to be oberserved free-handedly with low magnification on a safari than I realize.
 
To the OP....
What you've got will be fine, you won't miss a thing, and you won't be over precious about sand, dust, sunscreen, and other people asking to use them.
Those Leicas are more than good enough !!!
 
Interesting thread, having myself never been on a safari it made me reconsider what I'd do.

Considering aircraft cabin restrictions, conditions on the back of an open top vehicle in motion on dirt tracks, and various subjects to view...
I'd probably leave my expensive binoculars at home and take my Nikon E2!
Light and an easy 8x30 to use, wide 150m view. If it gets 'broken' in any way it's replaceable at £600.

If I were the OP I'd take the Leica BA 8x32, and take my time on return to sample the available market leaders.
 
Interesting thread, having myself never been on a safari it made me reconsider what I'd do.

Considering aircraft cabin restrictions, conditions on the back of an open top vehicle in motion on dirt tracks, and various subjects to view...
I'd probably leave my expensive binoculars at home and take my Nikon E2!
Light and an easy 8x30 to use, wide 150m view. If it gets 'broken' in any way it's replaceable at £600.

If I were the OP I'd take the Leica BA 8x32, and take my time on return to sample the available market leaders.
An unsealed, not waterproof E2 in Africa! An E2 sucks dust in every time you focus it like an accordion because of the external focuser. An E2 would be a big mistake using it riding in a dusty safari vehicle where you could have rain at any time. An E2 is a fair weather binocular. Any waterproof and sealed 8x42 roof prism would be a better choice. The Leica BA 8x32 would be a very good choice for Africa. Many guides in Costa Rica use the Leica.
 
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I have serious doubts about the whole "binoculars for hunting or safari, vs those for birding" concept.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

Perhaps someone will educate me.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. But I think we all acknowledge that some conditions and jobs impose different demands on binoculars.

You won't see many Swaro Juniors in the military, for instance. It might be educative to consider why that might be so.
 
Optical performance aside, something I keep in mind is my display of wealth when I'm carrying binoculars abroad.

While I take my Ultravid HDs to Western Europe with nary a thought, when I travel to a place like Kenya where the average person's yearly income would juuuuust about purchase a single pair of alphas, I opt for something more inconspicuous.

For me, that's a Habicht GA in 7,8, or 10x. They're everything you need, and nothing you don't.
 
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. But I think we all acknowledge that some conditions and jobs impose different demands on binoculars.

You won't see many Swaro Juniors in the military, for instance. It might be educative to consider why that might be so.
Yes, can't you see Patton standing up in his jeep with a Swarovski Junior leading the troops to The Battle of The Bulge!:LOL:patton-in-his-jeep-HEPYA2.jpg
 
Sometimes ignorance is bliss. But I think we all acknowledge that some conditions and jobs impose different demands on binoculars.

You won't see many Swaro Juniors in the military, for instance. It might be educative to consider why that might be so.
While I appreciate your point of view, I’m not convinced that quoting the most idiotic example you can think of necessarily refutes someone else’s statement.
 

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