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Combining the trip you link to with one where you stop at different elevations going back up the road to Cusco would have been a real gem.

I have read that elevation sickness is a real possibility at Cusco, so be prepared.

And sorry, I have never been in Peru, so no personal info.
Niels
 
2) If one wanted to see Humboldt penguin (which would be a new family for me) would it be best to do an overnight trip from Lima to Pucusana (where there are some other cool species e.g. Inca tern) or would one be able to achieve similar results doing a trip out of Lima to Islas Palomino?
Not sure what you mean by "overnight trip", but the trip from Lima to Pucusana is an easily manageable day trip – you don't need to stay overnight in Pucusana. I got excellent views of the terns resting on rocks, but the penguins were fairly distant and in the water. Don't know anything about Islas Palomino.
 
Not sure what you mean by "overnight trip", but the trip from Lima to Pucusana is an easily manageable day trip – you don't need to stay overnight in Pucusana. I got excellent views of the terns resting on rocks, but the penguins were fairly distant and in the water. Don't know anything about Islas Palomino.
Aha, thanks Jim - hadn't realised it would be possible in a day. That hopefully frees up a bit more time for something else.
 
Thanks again to everyone for their input - I think we've decided on Peru next year.

I've a few follow up questions if I may;

1) Has anyone here undertaken any of the Manu packages where you are picked up/returned to Cusco and stay at a range of lodges at different elevations before? This seems like a much less stressful option as we will have limited time, and in theory should result in a decent mix of birds - we've looked at this, which sounds excellent, and is quite affordable too. Normally our trips are undertaken independently, but given time constraints (and that we also want it to be enjoyable without additional stress), we are considering this option.
2) If one wanted to see Humboldt penguin (which would be a new family for me) would it be best to do an overnight trip from Lima to Pucusana (where there are some other cool species e.g. Inca tern) or would one be able to achieve similar results doing a trip out of Lima to Islas Palomino?
3) Any tips for suitable accommodation (say up to $70 USD per night) around Machu Picchu which is in a birdy area/has own trails/easy access to trails? ebird suggests that the area around Aguas Calientes is a reasonable bet.

Thanks again in advance.
I can answer a few of these questions. re 2) Not sure about Lima or Pucusana, but we had Humboldt Penguins on a tour of some islands from Paracas. Took a bus from Lima to Paracas. We saw Inca terns there, but also off a bar in Lima itself (Rosa Nautica). 3) In terms of Aguas Calientes, there is a really expensive hotel that has a Cock of the Rock lek. But, they also have their own bird guide who does daily walks (at least, they did around 10 years ago). I manage to just walk the grounds and talk myself onto that walk for about $30 instead of paying $400 a night to stay there. I also remember the railway track out of town being good for birds, but it was a few years ago.

Having said, I'd also vouch for Simmo Junior's recommendation of that Colombia route. It was fantastic.
 
Combining the trip you link to with one where you stop at different elevations going back up the road to Cusco would have been a real gem.

I have read that elevation sickness is a real possibility at Cusco, so be prepared.

And sorry, I have never been in Peru, so no personal info.
Niels


I have hiked the inca trail from cusco to machu pichu. Can confirm that after flying in to cusco, you should budget about three days for recovering from altitude change. Aguas calientes is significantly lower, staying there instead of cusco would help. (machu picchu itself is at altitude similar to cusco, but most people can handle a few hours at altitude without real problems. It's staying high overnight that triggers the worst symptoms.) There are student hostels and such at reasonable budgets if you spend the time looking. Food is cheap, and good (once you recover enough to have an appetite).

It's an absolutely spectactular region for mountains, history, architecture, botany, ... though I don't recall all that many birds.
 
Thanks again to everyone for their input - I think we've decided on Peru next year.

I've a few follow up questions if I may;

1) Has anyone here undertaken any of the Manu packages where you are picked up/returned to Cusco and stay at a range of lodges at different elevations before? This seems like a much less stressful option as we will have limited time, and in theory should result in a decent mix of birds - we've looked at this, which sounds excellent, and is quite affordable too. Normally our trips are undertaken independently, but given time constraints (and that we also want it to be enjoyable without additional stress), we are considering this option.
2) If one wanted to see Humboldt penguin (which would be a new family for me) would it be best to do an overnight trip from Lima to Pucusana (where there are some other cool species e.g. Inca tern) or would one be able to achieve similar results doing a trip out of Lima to Islas Palomino?
3) Any tips for suitable accommodation (say up to $70 USD per night) around Machu Picchu which is in a birdy area/has own trails/easy access to trails? ebird suggests that the area around Aguas Calientes is a reasonable bet.

Thanks again in advance.
1. We treated ourselves to a Manu trip as we were worried about self driving on Manu road. I think this was basically a misplaced worry and it would have been fine to do ourselves. We went with Wildwatch Peru and was very affordable and good guiding.Wayqecha is good for some of the higher elevation stuff, then Cock of the rock lodge, and then lots of variable lodges along Manu river. Mirador Pico de Hoz for sicklebill & coquette is worth a visit, one of the best hummingbird gardens I've ever seen. When we were along the Manu river the water level was so low that transport took far longer than it should and we lost a lot of birding time, no idea what the level will be like when you visit but worth considering. Overall we found the birding in Manu itself much worse than Ecuadorean / Colombian Amazon, but maybe we just had bad luck.

2. As others have said Humbolt penguin is very easy from pucusana, plenty of boats offering morning or afternoon tours, and can get diving petrel and other cool stuff with luck. Can be combined easily in a day with Pantanos de Villa for wetland specialities. Driving here is easy but traffic can be bad.

3. Aguas calientes is a pretty horrible place in my opinion. We enjoyed staying in Ollantaytambo and driving out to do Abra Malaga, a day driving up the road here can get some amazing endemics and again is very easy driving and the town itself is stunning (beats Macchu Picchu for me!)
 
It was a few years ago but we stayed at

Inkaterra Machu Picchu Pueblo Hotel - it had good trails including along the river (Torrent Ducks etc) and wasn't far from the Aguas Calientes station (less than 10 minute walk) direct train from Cuzco - also has an Andean Bear sanctuary nearby we saw the bears.

You can do the walk from Ollantayambo (couple of stops on the train) to Macchu Pichu and pretend you have done the trail if you arrive at the sun gate when every all the day tourists have left, also quiet so good for birding and other wildlife.

If you use Inkaterra then they do the Cuzco - Manu trip including staying at Cock of the Rock Lodge,and inexpensive place at the start of the river (shared facilities) and a what wasn't a too pricey place in Manu quite basic but with Tapir etc and lots of good birds, hoepfully this hasn't been upgraded with added cost.
 
disclaimer: I am the kind of adventurous and independent-minded birder

WRT the Manu road: I would try to arrange my own transport, and arrange the lodges. You will definitely be much more free while birding if you have your own vehicle. From what I heard from other people, Villa Carmen near Pillcopata is a must-do these days for allmost all bamboo specialties (next to Wayquecha for upper altitude and a lodge near Cock-of-the-rock for mid-altitude).

WRT Aguas Calientes / Macchu Pichu: I would visit the ruins and not bother too much about having to bird that area. It could be rewarding to stay in one of the few (and probably more expensive) hotels at the edge of Aguas Calients that have a proper 'garden' with some birding, but I wouldn't bother to e.g. bird the railway or the trail (that runs parallel to the hairpins where the buses go up).
Ollantaytambo is a much better gateway for all the goodies in the area, which are mostly up at Abra Malaga (like Royal Cinclodes, and, on the way up, Taczanowski's Tinamou) and some on the other way of that pass (Inca Wren, Parodi's Hemispingus, Diademed Tapaculo, Cuzco Brushfinch,...)

Much depends on the time you're willing to invest / you're able to afford at each site. You can e.g. bird for 2 weeks on the Manu road and you won't be bored. I remember having spent 2 nights in Cuzo with half a day around Huaparcay (Bearded Mountaineer) and some cultural outings, 4 days doing the Salkantay trekking (not many birds but some range-restricted species on that trekking), 1 night at Aguas Calientes with Macchu Pichu visit, 1 night in Ollantaytambo (could have done with 2) going up Abra Malaga, 1 night in Cuzco before going towards Wayquecha (with some birding on the way), 3 nights at COTR, and next I had 4 nights at Amazonia lodge (which was an absolute brilliant time, Villa Carmen offers more or less the same birds), 2 nights at Pantiacolla and 3 nights at Amazon Manu lodge. All worth the stay and all could have been twice as long.
 
It was a few years ago but we stayed at

Inkaterra Machu Picchu Pueblo Hotel - it had good trails including along the river (Torrent Ducks etc) and wasn't far from the Aguas Calientes station (less than 10 minute walk) direct train from Cuzco - also has an Andean Bear sanctuary nearby we saw the bears.

You can do the walk from Ollantayambo (couple of stops on the train) to Macchu Pichu and pretend you have done the trail if you arrive at the sun gate when every all the day tourists have left, also quiet so good for birding and other wildlife.

If you use Inkaterra then they do the Cuzco - Manu trip including staying at Cock of the Rock Lodge,and inexpensive place at the start of the river (shared facilities) and a what wasn't a too pricey place in Manu quite basic but with Tapir etc and lots of good birds, hoepfully this hasn't been upgraded with added cost.
Thanks David - I've had a quick look on the website and it is a stunning place for sure, but at $500 p/n well outside of our budget sadly.
 
A couple of my Pucasana Checklists - one from 2023 & one from this year here - very similar species including Blue-footed Booby on the same ledges::-



Basically, Inca Tern, Peruvian Booby, Peruvian Pelican, Cormorants, etc unmissable all along the coast everywhere & coastal stuff available at places like Chilca as well as Pantanos de Villa:-




Lachay excellent along the coast as well north of Lima for species like Least Seedsnipe.& other specialities:-


A bunch of other Checklists & locations for around Cuzco & the Manu loop from 2023 here that may provide some ideas:-


Screenshots of Chacklist locations are from that eBird trip report map.

We had a day on the coast which became available on our 2023 Cuzco/Manu trip and stayed in Lima and did a boat trip to Pucasna as well as Chilca & Pantanos de Villa in one day without it being rushed. The latter site may be complicated at the moment due to bird flu issues.

This year, we were based on a Cruise ship near Lima and did one day doing roughly the same thing to the south and the other day heading north to Lachay. Easy/cheap internal flights from Lima to Cuzco so it makes sense to give yourself some coastal birding in addition to Cuzco/Manu elements.

2023 day on coast - Paul's 2023 Photographic World List

2025 days on coast - Post in thread 'Paul's 2025 World List' Paul's 2025 World List & Post in thread 'Paul's 2025 World List' Paul's 2025 World List

You cannot be comprehensive & you will never have enough time so select your sites to cover budget combining coast, altitude near Cuzco & Manu elements, dip your toes and be amazed. I was OK with a day's acclimatisation at Cuzco & took it easy with sensible precautions.

All the best

Paul
 

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A couple of my Pucasana Checklists - one from 2023 & one from this year here - very similar species including Blue-footed Booby on the same ledges::-



Basically, Inca Tern, Peruvian Booby, Peruvian Pelican, Cormorants, etc unmissable all along the coast everywhere & coastal stuff available at places like Chilca as well as Pantanos de Villa:-




Lachay excellent along the coast as well north of Lima for species like Least Seedsnipe.& other specialities:-


A bunch of other Checklists & locations for around Cuzco & the Manu loop from 2023 here that may provide some ideas:-


Screenshots of Chacklist locations are from that eBird trip report map.

We had a day on the coast which became available on our 2023 Cuzco/Manu trip and stayed in Lima and did a boat trip to Pucasna as well as Chilca & Pantanos de Villa in one day without it being rushed. The latter site may be complicated at the moment due to bird flu issues.

This year, we were based on a Cruise ship near Lima and did one day doing roughly the same thing to the south and the other day heading north to Lachay. Easy/cheap internal flights from Lima to Cuzco so it makes sense to give yourself some coastal birding in addition to Cuzco/Manu elements.

2023 day on coast - Paul's 2023 Photographic World List

2025 days on coast - Post in thread 'Paul's 2025 World List' Paul's 2025 World List & Post in thread 'Paul's 2025 World List' Paul's 2025 World List

You cannot be comprehensive & you will never have enough time so select your sites to cover budget combining coast, altitude near Cuzco & Manu elements, dip your toes and be amazed. I was OK with a day's acclimatisation at Cuzco & took it easy with sensible precautions.

All the best

Paul
Fantastic input, thanks so much Paul. We are mid-move currently, but I will have a trawl through when I have a little time over the BH weekend.

I've enjoyed the vicarious birding courtesy of your latest exploits 👍🏼
 
Aha, thanks Jim - hadn't realised it would be possible in a day. That hopefully frees up a bit more time for something else.
Was at the Palominos Islands in October (morning boat out of Callao, just southwest of Lima airport). Penguin readily seen, along with many of the Peruvian coastal specialties. It wasn’t a dedicated birding trip, more a ‘swim with the sea lions’ thing (not my cup of tea) but fortunately the skipper was a birder.
Re: Inkaterra Machu Picchu Pueblo hotel…..they do birding walks round the grounds in the morning…..although that didn’t work for us……so spoke ‘nicely’ to reception and they arranged a private tour with their bird guide in the late afternoon
 
Was at the Palominos Islands in October (morning boat out of Callao, just southwest of Lima airport). Penguin readily seen, along with many of the Peruvian coastal specialties. It wasn’t a dedicated birding trip, more a ‘swim with the sea lions’ thing (not my cup of tea) but fortunately the skipper was a birder.
Re: Inkaterra Machu Picchu Pueblo hotel…..they do birding walks round the grounds in the morning…..although that didn’t work for us……so spoke ‘nicely’ to reception and they arranged a private tour with their bird guide in the late afternoon
Thank you @sneil , very helpful indeed. May I ask the price of i ) Palominos trip, and ii) Pueblo private tour if it isn't too cheeky. PM is fine if you don't wish to disclose publicly (and no worries if you don't want to disclose at all!).
 
Thank you @sneil , very helpful indeed. May I ask the price of i ) Palominos trip, and ii) Pueblo private tour if it isn't too cheeky. PM is fine if you don't wish to disclose publicly (and no worries if you don't want to disclose at all!).
Hi
Re Palominos….difficult to say exactly as it was part of our total package for Peru ( doing the touristy bit plus some birding where I could….my wife is not a birder) but looking up very similar trips they appear to run between £40-60 pp. BTW you don’t have to swim with the sea lions!😬but be prepared for the smell! I suspect dedicated birding cruises could be a little more: it may get you a few more species as they tend to go out a bit further than the islands themselves.
Re: Pueblo…as a guest they were perfectly happy to do it gratis, but I gave the guy a tip with which he was more than happy: I believe the morning walk is available to non-residents but you may have to enquire on that point.
As an aside, if you do the Sacred Valley as part of any future trip, try the Ensifera Camp Hummingbird garden near Ollantaytambo; 15-17 hummingbird species plus other goodies….20 soles Peruvian, entry.

Not sure if that is helpful or not but I would agree with Paul C’s observation above re:
‘You cannot be comprehensive & you will never have enough time…..’
i will have to go back one day……..
 
Hi
Re Palominos….difficult to say exactly as it was part of our total package for Peru ( doing the touristy bit plus some birding where I could….my wife is not a birder) but looking up very similar trips they appear to run between £40-60 pp. BTW you don’t have to swim with the sea lions!😬but be prepared for the smell! I suspect dedicated birding cruises could be a little more: it may get you a few more species as they tend to go out a bit further than the islands themselves.
Re: Pueblo…as a guest they were perfectly happy to do it gratis, but I gave the guy a tip with which he was more than happy: I believe the morning walk is available to non-residents but you may have to enquire on that point.
As an aside, if you do the Sacred Valley as part of any future trip, try the Ensifera Camp Hummingbird garden near Ollantaytambo; 15-17 hummingbird species plus other goodies….20 soles Peruvian, entry.

Not sure if that is helpful or not but I would agree with Paul C’s observation above re:
‘You cannot be comprehensive & you will never have enough time…..’
i will have to go back one day……..
That is exceptionally helpful, thanks so much for taking the time to write such an in depth response! Not sure about swimming with sea-lion's, but could be an interesting experience...!
 
The Manu road is long, steep and narrow; it was blocked for an hour or more by a fallen tree that the locals had to chainsaw off. It won’t be a relaxing drive!

Peru (Lima and San Lorenzo island, Santa Eulalia, flight to Cusco, trek Machu Picchu, Manu Road, flight Cusco to Lima then back to UK)
When we went to Manu, the worst bit was where the road that had been undercut - all the local drivers knew to drive on the one side of the road, otherwise you were driving on a unsupported concrete deck, with a big drop beneath - when I looked back up at the road, from the other side of the valley I was shocked at how precarious and dangerous the road looked. This was 2017, so perhaps the road has been fixed. I didn't drive the Manu road, but did drive around Cuzco (including the the wrong way round the one way system in the central plaza). Abra Malaga was relatively easy, despite Top Gear making it look like one of the most difficult drives on earth - just keep an eye out for large vehicles coming downhill, as they can cut the bends, so you don't want to meet them on the wrong side of the road unexpectedly.

If doing Peru (and hiking Machu Picchu - as we did), I would have though that 2 weeks will be enough for Huacarpay Lake, Abra Malaga, the Inca Trail (4 days), Aguas Caliantes and perhaps the upper Manu Road, but no more - the upper road to just past the Cock-of-the-Rock lodge was good when we went there.

In particular, I would recommend Abra Malaga before the Inca Trail - Warmi Wañusqa on the Inca Trail is 4200m and we met several people who felt very rough with the altitude (including one guy who turned round and gave up!). By birding Abra Malaga you can spend some time getting acclimatized first - the pass at Abra Malaga is c 4300m, so you can drive up and down, spend as along as you want there and hopefully start to get adjusted to the altitude (... and hopefully get Royal Cincloides!). We are not that fit, but by acclimatizing first, we felt fine on the trail (and had enough energy to get Vilcambamba Tapaculo at the high pass).

I don't think many birders do the trek. We enjoyed it but the best birding was probably near to Macchu Pichu, which is easier to get to by taking the bus up from Aguas Caliantes - although the queues for the bus were crazy, with people queuing from well before light! If you do the trail it is relatively expensive and you need to book well in advance as the total number of trekkers are limited - I say it is expensive, but the two of us had a guide, a cook and four porters, so actually it was quite good value in a way! You can't easily play with these numbers as I think you need to book through a guide and the stuff they carry is not light - propane bottles for cooking, large tents, four days of food, etc. etc. - and all waste needs to be taken away with you!

I personally would think that if you do the full Manu Road, then it would be a pity not to take a boat down river to one of the lodges. We went as far as Cocha Salvador, but our trip was three weeks in total, which I think is the minimum required. We booked Manu with Manu Expeditions, but unfortunately they have now stopped trading. A pretty good book to plan a trip around Cuzco is 'Birds of Machu Picchu and the Cuzco Region by Barry Walker (who used to run Manu Expeditions) ISBN 978-84-96553-97-2. This is part field guide and part a bird finding guide, so gives so good ideas of where to go, what to look for (and a reasonable impression of what it looks like).

Last year we did south Ecuador and the Quito area, which was also very nice - Tapachalaca with the Jocotoco Antpitta is a lovely place to stay - a bit expensive, but the foundation is meant to plough the money back into conservation. It is also a surprising good base for exploring lower and higher elevations - the lodge arranged our transportation to from the local airport and then we took taxis, which were cheap. These were arranged by one of the rangers (Freddy), who generally used a bird-watching taxi driver friend (when available) and also tagged along - so practically two guides for the price of a taxi ride!

If you go elsewhere in Ecuador, then it is best keeping around Quito, or to the eastern and southern states, due to the State of Emergency (see FCDO Map) - all the coastal states are now practically out of bounds for UK citizens, as the FCDO is advising against all but essential travel - whereas you can ignore the advice, it generally means your travel insurance will be null and void! The State of Emergency does not cover Quito and the eastern states (including the Amazon), but we had to abandon Blue-throated Hillstar, as to get to the site you are best starting from El Oro, which is within the SOE.

If you do Bella Vista, we actually got them to arrange a 1 week mini tour, which was great and not too expensive. It also would take a lot of the headache and time pressure out of driving. Bella Vista is probably a minimum of 45 mins up a rough dirt road, so if you want to hit any of the other places nearby shortly after first light, you need a very early start - we were often on the road by 4:30 on the mini tour, so you potentially have a long time driving in a place you don't know, on the opposite side of the road and and in the dark. I would also add that I was surprised how awful some of the roads were around Quito - on the way back from Bella Vista to Quito, we went the back-way via Zuroloma (and lovely little reserve), but is was a rutted dirt road practically all the way to the outskirts of the city - trips that look like 30 mins on the map, probably take 4 times that!
 
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Basically, Inca Tern, Peruvian Booby, Peruvian Pelican, Cormorants, etc unmissable all along the coast everywhere
Argh but where's the fun? Our guide for the day arranged a trip in a small fishing boat around Paracas Harbour - no life vests, and a skipper with one arm in a sling.

It was OK when in the harbour, but as soon as we ventured out to sea it was hairy - we ended up sitting on the bottom of the boat as we were sure we would fall overboard - goodness knows how we saw (and my wife got reasonable photos of Humbolt Penguin).
 
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Jon, thank you so much for the incredibly detailed reply - much appreciated. We're moving house today, so I'll have to process all of that information at some point in the next few days!
It sounds like an incredible area with fantastic birding opportunities, and I will have to brave altitude sickness to attempt Royal Cincloides - your advice re. acclimatisation is helpful, something I didn't bother with (and ultimately regretted) in Ethiopia.
 

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