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Swarovski CTS 85 Extendable Draw Tube Telescope (1 Viewer)

ajfossey

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The Swarovski website states that this scope is “…compatible with two different SWAROVSKI OPTIK eyepieces”. These are the 20-60x and the 25-50x W.

I’d be interested to know whether the 20x or 30x fixed eyepieces would work? Perhaps there’s a technical reason as to why they aren’t an option?

The thought of carrying the CTS 85 fitted with the 20x appeals to me when walking my dog and not wanting to carry a tripod. Maybe the CTC 30x75 with the fixed eyepiece would be a better option?
 
Hi AJ,

Although Swarovski's current publications don't address the previously offered single focal length 30x eyepiece (or the 20x or 45x ones),
it will work with the CTS.

See two pages from a 2005 catalogue showing the compatibility of the then S series eyepieces:
CTS and Eyepieces (2005 catalogue).jpg


John
 
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The Swarovski website states that this scope is “…compatible with two different SWAROVSKI OPTIK eyepieces”. These are the 20-60x and the 25-50x W.

I’d be interested to know whether the 20x or 30x fixed eyepieces would work? Perhaps there’s a technical reason as to why they aren’t an option?

The thought of carrying the CTS 85 fitted with the 20x appeals to me when walking my dog and not wanting to carry a tripod. Maybe the CTC 30x75 with the fixed eyepiece would be a better option?
The ctc 30/75 is a very good scope, I used one for a few years. This video's quite informative of the differences between the two. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...o7QBegQIDhAG&usg=AOvVaw3y14bvZZtFSTe4PTTXrSoF
 
Hi AJ,

Although Swarovski's current publications don't address the previously offered single focal length 30x eyepiece (or the 20x or 45x ones),
it will work with the CTS.

See two pages from a 2005 catalogue showing the compatibility of the then S series eyepieces:
View attachment 1549921


John
I noticed that both pages show that the cts-80 is compatible with the 30x, 45x, and zoom eyepieces, but they seem to suggest that the 20x is not compatible: it is not shown in the picture on the 1st page, and the specs of its combination with the cts-80 is left blank in the table on the 2nd page.
The bayonet is the same.
Would there be some field stop issue or something else, making it not possible to use it or only with reduced FOV?
Would the same apply to the older CT-75?
While I realize that the 20x was never as popular as the 30x, for a drawtube often used without tripod a 20x would make sense.
 
I noticed that both pages show that the cts-80 is compatible with the 30x, 45x, and zoom eyepieces, but they seem to suggest that the 20x is not compatible: it is not shown in the picture on the 1st page, and the specs of its combination with the cts-80 is left blank in the table on the 2nd page.
The bayonet is the same.
Would there be some field stop issue or something else, making it not possible to use it or only with reduced FOV?
Would the same apply to the older CT-75?
While I realize that the 20x was never as popular as the 30x, for a drawtube often used without tripod a 20x would make sense.
I noticed the same. 20x was likely my preference. The fixed eyepiece 75mm objective version I’d already discounted as I’m not sure they’d work well with my glasses.

The catalogue from John and video review from William were indeed both useful in researching these options.
 
Swarovski stated above that the ocular focal length was the same for all telescopes, where they meant the objective focal length (460 mm).
The 20x eyepiece had already been discontinued in early 2011, when my ATM 65HD was manufactured (no longer in the specifications) but my dealer had a NOS example which I was able to try out.
It was something of a disappointment and had shorter eye relief, perceived narrower AFoV and either pincussion or field curvature (no longer remember exactly).
The 30x W on the above scope is, in contrast, as near to perfection as it gets. With 20 mm ER and 65° it is essentially free of field curvature, astigmatism, rectilinear distortion and shows just a little unavoidable lateral colour.

John
 
I have the 30x and 45x.
The 20x has never appealed as it is too close to my bins.
With 45x you get a very small exit pupil and atmospheric interference. I want the magnification but it needs a tripod.

The 30x on the CTS 85 works for me. Bright, big chunk of glass that's relatively easy to carry bandolier style.
 
Almost 1 year later, I can kind of answer my own question about the “old” CT-75 and 20x SW:
(A very friendly fellow forum member sold me his 20x S W some time ago. More recently, I found a CT-75 with original 30x ww eyepiece (thinner, with fold back eyecup) for a very good price online.)

I just tested it at home: the 20x S W fits perfectly on the CT-75 and gives a nicely sharp view. Thus I have no idea why Swarovski mentioned only the 30x S W specs with it, but not the 20x S W specs. (Though I would like to, I don’t have the 30x S W. Thus below, I’m referring to the original 30x ww.)

The 20x S W gives a wider real field of view compared to the 30x. It also results in a way more stable view than with the 30x when using hand-held (yet still wobbly). All as expected and hoped. Both eyepieces are very sharp.
The newer design 20x has a considerably larger outer housing diameter (and larger glas on the eye/user’s side). But it appears to match the base of the CT-75 (likely that was on purpose) and thus it fits well also externally. However, the long rubber eyepiece-protector that you can put over the 30x eyepiece to protect it, is too small to fit over the 20x. Thus another cap or protector is needed. That’s all.

I am actually quite impressed with the view through the scope: I didn’t know what to expect from a draw tube scope, and this one is around 25 years old, second hand. Based on the serial numbers (adding 30 to the first two digits), the scope and 30x eyepiece both date from 1999, and the 20x SW from 2002. At first sight, all 3 optics are still in pristine conditions (of course small, actually very little signs of use to the exterior housing, but that is just cosmetics).

The first time, it is strange to hear that kind of « pumping » sound when extending/collapsing the scope, but the decent resistance when doing so and the lack of any dust inside seem to suggest that the rubber joints are still doing a very good job.

While I’m impressed by the nice view this scope and eyepieces still give, I’m not sure yet that I can make good use of the draw-tube scope, holding it stable enough. I didn’t buy it to use it on a tripod (I prefer an angled scope for that). I’m curious of how it will fit as a companion when doing my regular tour with the bike. I like my 50mm MM4 Opticron with compact tripod and 23x eyepiece as lightweight option, quite easy to put in and out of my cycling bag. It is my current scope companion when with the bike (actually the scope I used most of the time now), but as I rather often cycle in the evening and days are getting shorter, I’m curious of what this 20x75mm could do, with the much larger exit pupil, handheld or maybe with a monopod. It is still quite heavy and it would be more stable to use if the weight was distributed more towards the rear (towards the user). The 20x already helps compared to the 30x, but I still have to try it out on the field. Hopefully this weekend already :)
 

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