Tiger shrike or brown shrike? (Singapore) (1 Viewer)

[lowressgbirding]

Hi!

Is this a Tiger Shrike or Brown Shrike?

Thanks!

 

[Richard Prior]

I’ve only seen one of each so my opinion probably doesn’t carry much weight here, but for what it’s worth I reckon Tiger Shrike, that massive bill and head pattern more typical of the species………
perhaps

 

[aeshna5]

I’ve only seen one of each so my opinion probably doesn’t carry much weight here, but for what it’s worth I reckon Tiger Shrike, that massive bill and head pattern more typical of the species………
perhaps

I've never seen Tiger Shrike but have seen Brown Shrike (& many images of UK vagrants) & it doesn't look like Brown Shrike.

 

[Richard Prior]

I've never seen Tiger Shrike but have seen Brown shrike (& many images of UK vagrants) & it doesn't look like Brown Shrike.

Where are the experts when you need them eh aeshna?!

 

[Andy Adcock]

Tiger for me, apart from the bill, note the pale area around the eye.

 

[Richard Prior]

Tiger for me, apart from the bill, note the pale are around the eye.

At last, the voice of sanity!

 

[lowressgbirding]

Thanks all!

 

[gandytron]

Uniform upper parts and dark ear coverts make this look like a Brown Shrike to me.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Uniform upper parts and dark ear coverts make this look like a Brown Shrike to me.

Aside from bill structure, would it have such pale lores, even a young bird?

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Aside from bill structure, would it have such pale lores, even a young bird?

Yes, perfectly OK Andy Brown Shrike (Brown) Macaulay Library ML412453911 Also note the orange-buff suffusion to rear flanks which Tiger lacks.

Grahame

 

[Andy Adcock]

Yes, perfectly OK Andy Brown Shrike (Brown) Macaulay Library ML412453911 Also note the orange-buff suffusion to rear flanks which Tiger lacks.

Grahame

Struggling to find images of a BS with a bill structure to match this one plus the more extensiver bare and obvious, orbital ring is most commonly a feature of Tiger?

Anyone dare suggest the 'H' word?

 

[gandytron]

Two shots of Brown Shrikes from Bangkok, the first in late January, the second in mid February. Note pale lores and bill colouration similar to the Singapore bird.

And I think there is zero need to mention the "H" word. Tiger Shrike has a quite different ecological niche to Brown Shrike (it's not part of the RBS-Izzy-Turkestan-Daurian-BS continuum across Eurasia), I really cannot image a BSxTiger hybrid ever happening (famous last words, but...!)

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Two shots of Brown Shrikes from Bangkok, the first in late January, the second in mid February. Note pale lores and bill colouration similar to the Singapore bird.

And I think there is zero need to mention the "H" word. Tiger Shrike has a quite different ecological niche to Brown Shrike (it's not part of the RBS-Izzy-Turkestan-Daurian-BS continuum across Eurasia), I really cannot image a BSxTiger hybrid ever happening (famous last words, but...!)

Well Dave, the 2 have actually hybridised before, twice in Korea. I have seen images of a mixed pair, and probably still have them somewhere, though I cannot locate them currently. Further, Phil Round trapped a presumed hybrid on KMN in the spring of 2021 but I am not at liberty to share the images. Nial Moores concurred with the suspected parentage.

However, I see no strong reason to suggest the OP is a hybrid.

Grahame

 

[gandytron]

Well Dave, the 2 have actually hybridised before, twice in Korea. I have seen images of a mixed pair, and probably still have them somewhere, though I cannot locate them currently. Further, Phil Round trapped a presumed hybrid on KMN in the spring of 2021 but I am not at liberty to share the images. Nial Moores confirmed ID.

However, I see no strong reason to suggest the OP is a hybrid.

Grahame

ha ha, like I said Grahame - famous last words!

Seems like a very "odd couple" to me - Tiger is so much of a canopy- and deep-cover lover compaired with Brown Shrike.

Shrikes eh? They will literally do anything to anything!