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Updated Nikon 10x25S and 12x25S Stabilized binoculars (3 Viewers)

I too keep asking this. Clearly Canikon suppose the target audience don't care about such things... which begs the question, who are they?
I think the target audience to a large extent is the k-pop generation. In a lot of the youtube video reviews on IS binoculars it is young asian woman who are making them. They need something compact that will fit in a handbag or large pocket. They don't want the IS to shut down after 10 minutes in the middle of a concert so Nikon changed the auto shut off to 1 hour. They don't need them to be waterproof either.

Here in the UK the k-pop band Seventeen made history at Glastonbury festival this year becoming the first k-pop band ever to play there and I'm sure I saw hundreds of IS binoculars in the crowd. I was only watching as my daughter has an interest and I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. They certainly didn't perform beyond one hour so the change that Nikon made from the first iteration of 10x25 IS paid off. BTS are the biggest band/act in the world so I think we will see more of these small IS binoculars in the future to cater for demand.
 
You can argue the point that the Zeiss 10x25 and other binoculars have better optics and ergonomics than the Nikon 10x25 S and perhaps some do but when it comes down to resolution and how much detail you can see the Nikon wins every time and that is what stabilization is about.

You will ID birds easier and see more detail on the bird with the Nikon than with the Zeiss because you are not shaking, even though you have to make some compromises for those advantages, as you pointed out. If you don't want to, or you feel IS is not that big of an advantage, IS is not for you.

If the manufacturers developed some new, improved binoculars with IS, it would be the biggest improvement to birding binoculars in years. Although not perfect, I think the Nikon 10x25 S is a step in the right direction.
Do you still have your NL, or is it too, a shake-monster?
 
And the 10x25 IS is up for sale ...

Hermann
To continue your above finding.
Denco had his Swarovski 8x32 NL for sale 2 days ago on BF and the reason was "he now uses the Nikon 10x25s more in the daytime". See my #17 message.
The 8x32 NL has now disappeared from the For Sale section. This can only mean that it's been sold or he is keeping it.
Having now seen that Nikon 10x25s is for sale, it would be be helpful if he could perhaps enlighten us as to truth of the statement he made in the 8x32 NL sale details.
Stan
 
I wrote some comments, especially about the older Nikon 10x25 Stabilized model, in this post in another thread:

--AP
 
To continue your above finding.
Denco had his Swarovski 8x32 NL for sale 2 days ago on BF and the reason was "he now uses the Nikon 10x25s more in the daytime". See my #17 message.
The 8x32 NL has now disappeared from the For Sale section. This can only mean that it's been sold or he is keeping it.
Having now seen that Nikon 10x25s is for sale, it would be be helpful if he could perhaps enlighten us as to truth of the statement he made in the 8x32 NL sale details.
Stan
It’s really not worth trying to understand, just that it “is” and always has been.
 
To add to James' comment- consider how Dennis makes his comparisons based largely on his own memory and never owns a pair of binoculars for longer than a week or two.

If you've owned yours for more than a month, you are more knowledgeable about their characteristics than Dennis will ever be.
 
I now have the 10x25 and some brief subjective observations appear below.

I ordered the 12x25 last Friday, and found the box yesterdy evening when coming back home from a work trip.

... the image stabilization is superb... I played a bit with them this morning on my way to work, but with rain and sleet and it barely being light I didn't see much, but realized that they fog up pretty fast!

... but these do slide easily into the side pockets of my cargo pants...

...The stabilisation of the Nikon works SENSATIONALLY well. Really fantastic. Optically, however, the Nikon is unfortunately only good mid-range and clearly inferior to the Zeiss in terms of contrast, sharpness and CA. I knew beforehand that the field of view is much smaller. Nevertheless, the optical disadvantages of the Nikon should be more than compensated for by the stabilisation for most users.

But I find many housing elements really annoying: the surface of the centre bridge and the battery compartment cover are made of cheap, thin plastic. The joints of the double hinges are too smooth so the IPD can be changed too easily. The focuser turns too light, somewhat unevenly and "squirmed" on the test specimen. The armouring does not have a good grip and does not extend to the edges of the objectices, leaving the tube ends unprotected... That's why I can easily stick with my Zeiss, which I can also hold more steady than any other non-IS 10x binocular, so I don't miss the great stabilisation of the Nikon too much.

I think it‘s a shame that Nikon did not invest another 200 Dollars in higher build quality and slightly better optics. The concept of the binocular is so great and it‘s expensive anyway so why don‘t they do it right in every respect?

Agreed that the image stabilization is very accomplished, though there are often (as Dennis pointed out) a few audible clicks and IS adjustments made when going from hanging round the neck to a viewing position. Also, in these circumstances, the IS can take a second or two to fully settle down and - whilst doing so - results (for me) in a mild nausea.

Agreed with the fogging issue. The exterior of the eyepiece lenses do tend to mist up quite readily; but perhaps no worse than current NLs.

Disagree somewhat with pocketability. These are (completely understandably) bulky for a 10x25.

Agreed regarding the optical comparison to a Zeiss VP. I also have access to a CL-P 10x25 and an UV 10x25. All of these return a notably brighter image than the Nikon; which seems somewhat dull and altogether flat by comparison. It's not that the optical quality is poor, it's actually quite good: until compared back-to-back with the above three.

Don't fully agree with the sentiment that the stabilization more than compensates for poorer optical quality. It does in some conditions, but not in all. That said, I'm fortunate enough to be able to hold bins pretty steady anyway.

Agree somewhat that the hinges would profit from being a little tighter to avoid accidentally upsetting IPD settings.

Disagree with sentiments re focuser. I find it delightful (on my sample).

Agree that because of the ergonomics and haptics that a VP and CL-P are actually intrinsically easier to hold steady and with good technique can be held reasonably shake-free.

Agreed that with improved optics and some mechanical improvements the Stabilised S would be a different prospect indeed.

In other observations:

The placement of the strap lugs is incredibly irritating. They are (as is not that uncommon) placed well 'underneath' the barrels, meaning that when worn round the neck the bin doesn't lie flat against the chest, but instead dangles at an angle that results in the all-too-familiar scenario where mass is concentrated on chest-digging objective barrels.

The general handling and use - especially because of the volume, mass and eyecup sizing - is more akin to a roof-prism x30 than a x25.

The twist-up eyecups are sort of OK, but feel a bit imprecise and flimsy in their interim positions.

The rainguard is a bit too tight and not easy to quickly remove.

The non-binocular-geek people around me who have tried them, love them.

Perceived shortcomings aside, I consider the Stabilized S 10x25 altogether pretty good, and I can see how when used for serious nature watching in high winds or from particularly unstable platforms (boats etc), they would come into their own. I can also see the appeal for much more relaxed casual / tourism use etc.
 
I would appreciate if someone could please confirm that, unlike the original version, that (1) these new Nikon stabilized binoculars do not have a shutter that blacks out the view through the left side when the VR is turned off, and that (2) the lenses are as stable as a conventional binocular when the VR is turned off. Those would be huge improvements. As I see it, the only downsides of the new model vs the old would then be folded size (and perhaps minimum IPD for some users) and having less room for big thumbs between the barrels.

--AP
 
I would appreciate if someone could please confirm that, unlike the original version, that (1) these new Nikon stabilized binoculars do not have a shutter that blacks out the view through the left side when the VR is turned off, and that (2) the lenses are as stable as a conventional binocular when the VR is turned off...

(1) They do not.
(2) They are.

(y)
 
Now, after seven months of moderate usage, the bins actually broke. Regardless whether the stabilization is on or off, there seems to be a problem with the light path between the left and the right side. Items are displayed double, with one above the other. Although I do see more birds like this (all in pairs!), it is rather inconvenient.

I will bring my 10x24 to the shop and see if they repair under warranty.
 
Now, after seven months of moderate usage, the bins actually broke. Regardless whether the stabilization is on or off, there seems to be a problem with the light path between the left and the right side. Items are displayed double, with one above the other. Although I do see more birds like this (all in pairs!), it is rather inconvenient.

I will bring my 10x24 to the shop and see if they repair under warranty.
Ouch!!!

That's very poor, but there have been plenty of negative comments regarding build quality, so perhaps not totally unexpected. I'm sorry! :(

So far so good for my 12x. I've carried them a lot and deployed them regularly, and so far they've performed probably a little better than I'd anticipated. They've even taken a few knocks, but no apparent damage to their functionality...yet.
 
Nikon invented optical stabilization and has the original patents despite being very slow to utilize it with their lenses and cameras. Without image stabilization I can use a 12x at most and only then with excellent optics. With image stabilization my Sig Sauer 16x42 are easy to use with no difficulty. The Sig binos use a single AA battery that can power them for a year. The Sig also have two levels of image stabilization at the flick of a switch. The 16x binos have replaced my spotting scope and tripod.
 
I will bring my 10x24 to the shop and see if they repair under warranty.


Nope -- they deemed that the defect was due to severe shocks. In my opinion, nothing but normal usage....

Repair quoted at CHF 646 (Swiss mountain dollars -- equivalent to $793); a new binocular would come down to CHF 819 ($1005). Definitely not worth the repair in my opinion.

And, for the record, no Nikon products for us until they demonstrate that they improve their build quality drastically.
 
Nope -- they deemed that the defect was due to severe shocks. In my opinion, nothing but normal usage....

Repair quoted at CHF 646 (Swiss mountain dollars -- equivalent to $793); a new binocular would come down to CHF 819 ($1005). Definitely not worth the repair in my opinion.

And, for the record, no Nikon products for us until they demonstrate that they improve their build quality drastically.
That is awful Frank, and even more awful is the response from the dealer/Nikon.

I am so relieved that I returned my pair to Amazon for a full refund.

Interestingly, there is a review on Amazon.com, which shows a loose barrel on a pair. This link might work:


I was appalled at the build quality and choice of less than robust plastics in the construction of the pair that I had and, despite my very high regard for the Nikon's I still own, I will never buy Nikon's again.

I do hope that your case will be resolved.
 
Nope -- they deemed that the defect was due to severe shocks. In my opinion, nothing but normal usage....

Repair quoted at CHF 646 (Swiss mountain dollars -- equivalent to $793); a new binocular would come down to CHF 819 ($1005). Definitely not worth the repair in my opinion.
Was that Nikon Switzerland? If yes, you might want to try Nikon Düsseldorf as well, I found them quite good to deal with in the past.
And, for the record, no Nikon products for us until they demonstrate that they improve their build quality drastically.
Well, I can well understand your reaction, but I wouldn't go so far. I've been using quite a lot of Nikon gear for many years now - cameras and lenses, binoculars, scopes - and had a couple of items need repairs, but no more than with other manufacturers. And that includes the top European manufacturers.

Hermann
 
Was that Nikon Switzerland? If yes, you might want to try Nikon Düsseldorf as well, I found them quite good to deal with in the past.

Well, I can well understand your reaction, but I wouldn't go so far. I've been using quite a lot of Nikon gear for many years now - cameras and lenses, binoculars, scopes - and had a couple of items need repairs, but no more than with other manufacturers. And that includes the top European manufacturers.

Hermann

Yes but with $1000 products, if even if there is a problem during the guarantee period it will not be solved whiteout pay out more or less than the price of a new product, it's a good reason to look elsewhere...
Typically, for the choice between monarch hg or conquest hd, even if the monarch hg is a little better, I think I'll choose Zeiss...
 

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