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teebee

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hi, this is my first post so apologies if i’m posting in the wrong place!

I’ve come across some old binoculars I was gifted around ten years ago with no context or information on them other than “they’re good”, and they’ve been laying on a shelf for most of that time.

I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me identify what they are or just any information on them as i’ve been curious but know next to nothing about binoculars, and somewhere like this seems as good a place as any.

I think they might be from 1971 (?), and they were made in USSR, and that’s about it. Any guesses/info are very much appreciated!
 

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Hi and welcome.

This is a very common 8x30 Komz binocular maybe made in Kazan.

Type 2.

1971.

Part multicoated, field about 8.5 degrees with Erfle type eyepiece, I think 15.5mm focal length.

It may be home production, at least the case, as it has Cyrillic letters.

Leather strap.

Should work down to minus 40 degrees.

Usually clean inside.

If well aligned just use it, although better without glasses.

I presume it doesn't have a reticle in one eyepiece.

Regards,
B.
 
Hi!

thank you for letting me know, they’ve been a mystery to myself and the person who gave me them for so long. They’ll likely only be used to watch the wildlife and birds in the treeline next to my house but at least now i’ve got some history! Only now to wonder how on earth they ended up in my family haha.
 
They ended up in your family because they were good value for money.

In the U.K. T.O.E. imported Soviet cameras, binoculars and telescopes.

The 8x30 monocular was about £13 retail, I suppose the binoculars around £25.
These and the Zeiss Jena 8x30 and Praktica cameras were the starting point for most folks with the latter a bit more expensive.

Also the Pentacon Six or Praktisix 6x6 medium format cameras with 50mm, 65mm, 80mm standard f/2.8 or f/3.5, 120mm, 180mm, 300mm and 500mm lenses, all of which I had. Plus metering viewfinders, bellows etc. There was later a 40mm lens also I think, Arsat maybe.

Kiev 4 rangefinder copies of the Zeiss Contax and Kiev 80 copies of the Hassleblad 1600.
Plus very odd Kievs with rotary shutters.
And vertical shape maybe half frame cameras.

Zenit cameras with various lenses Unique design Orion wide angle lens.
Tilt and shift lenses.

Leica rangefinder camera copies, FED, Zorki Stereo attachments.

Plus very early SLR 35mm camera. 1934 Sport.

Start camera.

Plus miniature copies of other foreign makes like Minolta.
As well as original sub miniatures.

The 8x30s are often clean inside and if it doesn't give double images there may be no need for servicing, which costs more than they are worth.

There are also Soviet 12x45, 15x50, 10x40 a bit of an oddity.
7x50, 12x40, 16x50, 20x60, 26x70, 10x50, 8x40.
Miniature binoculars, opera glasses.
And various monoculars including the plastic 10x46, which is optically O.K. and used as a telescope finder sometimes.
The combined 12x40/20x60 monocular with optical window. Mine was dire with the bayonet failing and black goo everywhere from poor metal.

6x30 military.
And versions with odd coatings or reticles.

6x30, 8x40, 10x50 extra wide angle binoculars.

5x25, 7x35 and 10x40 Foton roof prism binoculars.

5x25 and 7x35 folding monoculars.

2.5x17.5 Galilean monoculars and binoculars.

15x105 with 6 degree field, 20x105 and maybe 15x110 binoculars on tripods.

The Tal telescopes were good but heavy.
Soviet Maksutovs are a speciality, but heavy.
Also odd design refractors and mirror scopes.

Regards,
B.
 
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I have 4 of these and the newer version that was also sold by "Levenhuk" as "Heritage"-model but also made by Komz. The new one is actually pretty good because of the upgraded coatings but the build quality is not quite up to the older USSR models. I'm guessing the tooling and machinery might be worn down by now.
I also own the 6x24, 10x40 and 12x45. The 6x24 is probably the most interesting as it is a super wide angle and no longer made. Also excellent quality with coated prisms and all.
The old 8x30 is okay but also "nothing to write home about". But I did want to compare the different coatings -- the more purple ones and the other ones as some claimed the purple coatings were better which turned out to not be true. They are more or less the same. In fact the newer one I own (from '91) is slightly sharper so Komz seems to have actually tried (and succeeded) to improve them over time.
One of the 8x30s I have was misaligned but it looked like someone had driven a car over it so badly warped was the body. The seller had hid this fact by not showing it from every angle but I kept it as a spare for parts as it wasn't expensive.
One of them rests on the window sill in the kitchen. I had a more modern roof prism there for a while but the rubber coating now smells like frying fat. So that was a bad idea :D. (Note to self: don't keep rubber coated binos in the kitchen.)
All in all -- for anyone interested in buying a used one -- don't overpay. Between 30-60€/$ in good condition is okay. But the new one with upgraded coatings was only 100€ for which it is absolutely fine and definitely better for actual use.
But the real gem of the Komz line-up besides the 6x24 is the 7x30 military model (also made in 10x42 but no longer available for obvious reasons). No comparison to the others, flat field design with huge 7-element oculars (6 elements according to other sources but I think that's because one element seems to be actually cemented from two lenses). The 8x30 has 5 element oculars. I only know this because it is actually stated on the outside of some of them that were sold in Germany "5-Linser" which translates to "5 lenses".
I also once accidentally bought a fake one, they normally sell on Aliexpress -- mine was used from ebay and I didn't notice. Differences are -- the originial focuses clock-wise, the fake counter clockwise. Also the fake has a slightly larger FoV, more reflections but better coatings than the old USSR ones and the ocular bridge is plastic unlike on the original.
If everything works as it should and there is no fungus or dust inside (there rarely is as the "black goo" is used to seal it and there are felt rings on the ocular turrets to keep dust and moisture out which seems to work just fine) -- then they don't really need to be serviced.
 
Thanks.

I forgot the 6x24, 7x30 and 10x42, which I have.
I really don't like the last two as they make me sea sick..
The 6x24 is very nice. I think it has special eyepieces.

There is also maybe a 4x16.

And the very rare 8x30 with 13 degree eyepieces.

I also have a weird small metal binocular that has such a curved field that only one third of the field is usable for me.

There may be 7x35s in standard and extra wide field also.

And a more modern reversed Porro binocular.

The 12x45 was my standard binocular for ten years, and is still very good, although with a yellow cast.
I saw geosynchronous satellites with this near the Orion nebula. These are normally invisible except in large telescopes, but the panels must have been glinting the Sun.
They were seen on several nights.
Maybe 4,000 miles up?

Regards,
B.
 
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But the real gem of the Komz line-up [...] is the 7x30 military model (also made in 10x42 but no longer available for obvious reasons). No comparison to the others, flat field design with huge 7-element oculars (6 elements according to other sources but I think that's because one element seems to be actually cemented from two lenses). [... ]
If everything works as it should and there is no fungus or dust inside (there rarely is as the "black goo" is used to seal it and there are felt rings on the ocular turrets to keep dust and moisture out which seems to work just fine) -- then they don't really need to be serviced.
That's a very interesting pair, albeit with a rather strong yellow tint. And very heavy for a 7x30.

BTW, there is some more information on Holger's website: Binoculars Corner

Hermann
 
Thanks.

I forgot the 6x24, 7x30 and 10x42, which I have.
I really don't like the last two as they make me sea sick..
The 6x24 is very nice. I think it has special eyepieces.
That's interesting. To my eyes the edge distortion (not the field curvature) of the 6x24 seems worse than the 7x30. It's not bothering me but I like the 7x30 a bit more but that might be in part because when I use the newer version with the long rubber eye cups a tiny bit of the FoV is cut off which might just be enough to reduce the rolling ball effect. On the older one with the twist-up eye cups the view isn't reduced and therefore rolling ball effect is stronger. But when I simply screw off the rubber eye cups on the new one, I can see the whole FoV with glasses on.
The 6x24 seems to have a very similar distortion to the Kowa BDII 6.5x32 when I compare them directly. Kind of a mustache distortion if my eyes don't play tricks on me.
 
I’ve just seen this thread. Like so many my first affordable binocular was a USSR 8 x30 bought from Dixons Sauchiehall Street Glasgow in 1972 for the princely sum of £7.99! . It’s identical to the photos provided by the originator of this thread including the case Cyrillic script. In my student days and for many years after it provided great joy. The yellow cast didn’t bother me as I knew no better and I still have it. I also at some point got a 1991 version but in every respect ( finish, case, mechanically) except optics!, it was no where near the same. They also came with a ‘certificate’, presumably, testing and hand completed by the tester which I have.
My first camera too was a Russian Zenit which after focusing you had to manually stop down, creating a blank screen before firing the shutter! Happy days.
 
A couple months back one of these came into my possession, part of a job lot of optics that the seller refused to split. Exterior glass was very hazy, but fortunately cleaned up fine, although unfortunately it looks like there is still some internal haze. I really didn't expect much from it, but after using it as my "by the window" binocular and having taken it out in direct comparison with my Zeiss West 8x30 (non-B) Saturday evening, I have to give the Soviets a certain amount of credit for producing a serviceable and useful binocular at a very economic price. Fit and finish is far less refined, some would say crude, than the Zeiss West (but really not too far off the Zeiss Jenoptem I used to own) but actual build quality is solid, probably actually better than late model Jenoptems. All mechanicals (hinge, focuser, diopter) function as they should, although the diopter on mine is a touch lighter than I'd like. The long sleeves of the eyepiece assembly are an interesting touch, I suppose intended to help with weather resistance. Eye relief is a little longer than the Zeiss West 8x30 but not by very much. You'll still need to remove your glasses to use it.

Image wise the big downside, which cannot be ignored, is the very strong yellow cast, far exceeding that of any modern binocular. I'm not sure what the Soviet designers intended with that (easier viewing against snow-covered landscapes, maybe?). The Zeiss West 8x30, one of the more highly rated classic 8x30s, is, in direct comparison, brighter, clearer and significantly more natural in terms of colour rendition, and also seems much better against glare, but as mentioned I think the Komz has some internal hazing and would not be surprised if brightness, clarity, and possibly also performance against glare, might be improved after service (am mulling over whether to stump up the cash for this now). Field of view is exactly the same (tested against landmarks) although I can get the Zeiss West "nearer my eyes", making it feel somewhat wider.

The strong point of the Komz, as far as image quality goes, is sharpness. It is really not far behind the Zeiss West in this department at all, although edge performance is not as good. Distant swifts are a pretty good test of sharpness at distance, and the Komz was able to pick out the tiny fast-moving silhouettes cutting through the evening sky clearly and sharply. Juvenile peregrines playfighting 1km off, seen just before 1900, were easy by comparison. I couldn't see any chromatic aberration in crows heading northwards at about 250m distance, though I suppose I should note I don't seem susceptible to it; others may well differ. Sharpness and general observed detail on closer targets (numbers on football shirts worn by youngsters around 175m away) were really practically the same with both binoculars, except in two important respects: the Komz being visibly more affected by glare (which could be worked around to some extent by angling away from the evening sun) and that distinct yellow tint.

It's very far from being the best binocular out there, either in mechanical finesse or in overall image quality. Its design dates back to the 1930s and, not having the refinements evolved specifically for birding (fast focuser etc), is better suited to general observation. But it's still a sound binocular that, if one can ignore a couple of quirks (and I think the yellow tint is less of an issue in strong sunlight, like we now have in the southeast UK), can give good service. I'd like to see what the Komz in fully serviced condition can do.

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It's very far from being the best binocular out there, either in mechanical finesse or in overall image quality. Its design dates back to the 1930s and, not having the refinements evolved specifically for birding (fast focuser etc), is better suited to general observation. But it's still a sound binocular that, if one can ignore a couple of quirks (and I think the yellow tint is less of an issue in strong sunlight, like we now have in the southeast UK), can give good service. I'd like to see what the Komz in fully serviced condition can do.

For the likely cost of servicing I would just look for a better copy. You can pick them up in near mint condition for under £50 with patience. I had a pair as my first binoculars back in the early 80's and bought another pair a few years back. They're serviceable (and definitely no need to use the yellow filters they came with!). Subjectively sharpness isn't far behind my Deltrintim, but they're not as bright and don't handle glare quite as well. Certainly solidly built if a little crude in finishing. Whilst the step up in performance from Deltrintim to my Zeiss West is definitely noticeable it's not huge, but I would say that the step up rom the Komz to Jenoptem/Deltrintim is more noticeable. Serviceable (and I used my original pair for many teenage years quite happily) but they're not the in the same league as the Zeiss West and a step down on the Zeiss Jena.
 

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