Which binoculars are less stressfull for the eyes? (1 Viewer)

[Ted Y.]

I am selling my Swarovski 8.5x42 bins.

It is of paramount importance to try before buying, therefore to be able to do a return if needed.

 

[Maljunulo]

🤔 Thinking about this tempts me to say that if a binocular is “stressful for the eyes” it either isn’t very good optically, or it is not very well aligned.

(perhaps both)

 

[Paultricounty]

🤔 Thinking about this tempts me to say that if a binocular is “stressful for the eyes” it either isn’t very good optically, or it is not very well aligned.

(perhaps both)

I may not be fully understanding exactly what the OP is saying, but I think I have a good idea. It might be different for different people, and it probably is , especially when we take in age, different climates and elevations. Im in my 60’s , don’t wear glasses and have good eyesight, but I definitely notice a difference in eye fatigue in certain different high-end binoculars (or any good quality binos) after hours of use on sunny days. Although I love Swaros, NL’s , EL’s and Habicht’s after a long day I’m feeling it. The Leica and Nikon’s do not exhibit this eye strain for me after prolonged periods of observing. And of course the examples I’m giving here are Binoculars excellent working condition , well collimated. I believe it has more to do with the coatings than the glass itself. I can use an EDG or Leica Ultravid all day , no problem, give me an equivalent EL and an hour so along I’m putting on the sunglasses, just to bright and sharp.

 

[Maljunulo]

Sorry can’t resist, lol. Is it really a dinosaur, I guess it depends on what year. The newer ones have almost every conceivable modern options.

You lost me on that.

Gawkers and rubberneckers, I hate them. 🤭

Yes it is , and yes it does.

It’s a Ferrari man, it’s supposed to be red and scream me, me.

Oh yeah, especially up at 9000 to 10,000 RPMs.

Being a babe magnet , it’s possible to pick up some nice woman coming out of the grocery store with the valuable eggs, milk and bread that she may want to share, with the debonair older gentlemen in the red Ferrari.

And spent over $3000 for new Pireli tires after a few track meets.

😲😵‍💫😳

👍

I told my wife the exact same thing 😉.

🙏🏼
Paul

I once watched a guy try to figure out where to put a six pack in a Lamborghini.

They aren’t too roomy, nor do they have a lot of storage space.

 

[Binastro]

The reason the line of cars wait while the Ferrari is backed into the garage is that it may take several minutes blocking the whole road.

The turning circle is large, and positioning it difficult.

So being gentlemen they wait rather than force the Ferrari to stop.

Yes, some cars are babe magnets, but for the short term.
Either because of the type of babe one meets or because they are so beautiful that it doesn't last.

But at least I have happy memories.

Binoculars don't have this effect.

Regards,
B.

 

[Maljunulo]

Many, many years ago, I briefly considered buying a used Ferrari 308, but I decided the $50K for the car would be only the beginning ….. so I passed.

 

[Paultricounty]

Binocular eyepieces are basically the same as telescope eyepieces and you can take 10 people and their eyes and facial structure are all different. I spend more time on Cloudy Nights and with 10 different people you'll hear ten different opinions on black outs or SAEP (spherical aberration of the exit pupil), eye relief, comfort etc etc. That's why YOU have to try them! Also specs on E/R etc. are not always what the manuf. states.
As far as Sunny days, well I've heard of people jury rigging UV filters on the objectives of binoculars! The Nikon MHG comes with two sets of removeable rubber objective rings and usually the plain rings go in the box. You can glue UV filters on these and use them on sunny days.

You may find this helpful, specifically SAEP.

Identifying eyepiece aberrations - Eyepieces - Cloudy Nights

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I’m not sure what your saying, please elaborate. None of the MHG’s Ive seen have anything in the box other than the case , strap , objective covers and rain gaurd.

No doubt different strokes for different folks. I always try before before I buy whenever possible.

No issues with any of the Nikons on sunny days. I find them very easy on the eyes.

Paul

 

[albie...]

None of the MHG’s Ive seen have anything in the box other than the case , strap , objective covers and rain gaurd.


Paul

My MHG 8x42 came with the same stuff you mentioned plus an extra set of capless rubber rings to replace the tethered objective caps for people that don't like tethered caps . Not sure which set of rings you would glue filters to , not sure if I would want to glue filters to them ,especially solar .

 

[Mikbul]

My MHG 8x42 came with the same stuff you mentioned plus an extra set of capless rubber rings to replace the tethered objective caps for people that don't like tethered caps . Not sure which set of rings you would glue filters to , not sure if I would want to glue filters to them ,especially solar .

Not solar! UV filters like you screw on a camera lens or your Ray Ban sunglasses have UV coatings. Jeez how did you get solar out of that, I never said the word solar! The glare you get on a sunny day reflecting off is partly UV rays, hence the term RAY BAN. UV rays are what gives you cataracts. I've deleted my post, obviously misunderstood.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/719eBNbUyWL._AC_SX679_.jpg

 

[Mikbul]

I’m not sure what your saying, please elaborate. None of the MHG’s Ive seen have anything in the box other than the case , strap , objective covers and rain gaurd.

No doubt different strokes for different folks. I always try before before I buy whenever possible.

No issues with any of the Nikons on sunny days. I find them very easy on the eyes.

Paul

The new MHG come with two sets of rubber rings that are removeable, one has caps, the other doesn't. Here's a photo from Nikon with the plain rubber rings.

 

[NDhunter]

There is a one year old Ferrari next door 20ft from me.

To me it is a dinosaur.

Getting into the garage space is like parking the space shuttle.

The cars in the street stop respectfully to see the machine back into the garage.

It is difficult to see from the driver's viewpoint. I suppose it has a camera.

It is bright red and shouts Me, Me.

It is noisy.

To use it in suburbia as a shopping vehicle is madness.

But the driver handles it well, and has probably had tuition at race tracks.

I do like the video of the $950,000 Aston Martin being towed away from double yellow lines on a large truck.
Probably near Harrods.
I wonder if they put it in the crusher to make a nice metal cube.

When I was young I did drive lots of large cars, but nowadays I wouldn't.

The E type Jaguar housed opposite, now that is nice.

As to binoculars, I use middle and low class versions generally.

Regards,
B.

B.
Stick with binoculars, your auto stuff is not needed or appreciated.
Jerry

 

[Binocollector]

I might have started something. Just to clarify -- the Ferrari-analogy was a joke and I hope Maljunulo took it that way and not as offensive.
Of course one shouldn't have to worry (I hope) about all the little nit-picks people have with low or mid-range binos when just buying the best. I would expect Swaro and Zeiss to deliver stunning views no matter what. Not sure about Leica as I often read about CA in those. And I have binos I bought for less than 200€ that don't show any CA for my eyes. Like the Canon 8x32WP (sadly discontinued -- I wish Canon would make some non-IS binos again). Or for slightly more, the Meopta Meopro HD or Fuji HC. Both show almost no visible CA under most conditions.

 

[Peregrine Took]

It is of paramount importance to try before buying, therefore to be able to do a return if needed.

Nail on the head. Especially with binoculars (whatever the price) - they're a tactile instrument and you need to be sure that the ergonomics are right for your face, as well as the optics being right for your eyes. You clearly understand this, so to mix my metaphors, apologies for teaching you to suck eggs.

My budget only stretched to Zeiss Conquests a year or so ago, but the dealer showed me his own Victory SFs and they were something else. Good luck.
.

 

[Paultricounty]

I might have started something. Just to clarify -- the Ferrari-analogy was a joke and I hope Maljunulo took it that way and not as offensive.
Of course one shouldn't have to worry (I hope) about all the little nit-picks people have with low or mid-range binos when just buying the best. I would expect Swaro and Zeiss to deliver stunning views no matter what. Not sure about Leica as I often read about CA in those. And I have binos I bought for less than 200€ that don't show any CA for my eyes. Like the Canon 8x32WP (sadly discontinued -- I wish Canon would make some non-IS binos again). Or for slightly more, the Meopta Meopro HD or Fuji HC. Both show almost no visible CA under most conditions.

Nothing wrong with the car analogies at all. In sales training we use it (among others) all the time, and very effective I might add , because most everybody can relate to it.

Unfortunately I would agree that the entry-level Leica Trinovid HD, does have more CA than I find acceptable in the $1000 range, more so in the 10 X. As far as the rest of the Leica lineup , CA is overblown mostly due to the 1 to 5% of people who are overly sensitive to CA. The other 95%
dont see it at all in 90% of observing conditions. Never let that stop you from trying a Leica.

It really is simply amazing the quality of entry level and mid grade optics today being offered by most of the well known manufacturers. In the $200 to $300 range there really is some nice glass, and even at this price point they’re using magnesium construction. The $500 range, M7, Vipers, and Terra to name a few are serious optical tools. The only downside to many of them is where they are manufactured, but I’m not gonna get into that here.

Paul

 

[Mikbul]

At least Nikon has their own glass factory in China.

 

[Paultricounty]

At least Nikon has their own glass factory in China.

I’m not sure I understand that, is that supposed to be a positive?

 

[Mikbul]

I’m not sure I understand that, is that supposed to be a positive?

Just a fact Jack. A glass factory in Japan and China so they are not giving up their trade secrets as far as the glass goes.

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[Paultricounty]

Just a fact Jack. A glass factory in Japan and China so they are not giving up their trade secrets as far as the glass goes.

Glass for geeks: An in-depth tour of Nikon’s Hikari Glass factory

I've been on a lot of factory tours with various camera and lens manufacturers before, but had never had a chance to see how the optical glass was made that goes into the lenses we use every day. So I was really happy to receive…

www.imaging-resource.com

It does make a lot of sense that Nikon would have a glass factory in Japan 🤪.

 

[Mikbul]

It does make a lot of sense that Nikon would have a glass factory in Japan 🤪.

I'm not sure I understand. Is that supposed to be a positive?

 

[Paultricounty]

I'm not sure I understand. Is that supposed to be a positive?

Just a fact Jack.