alan kennedy
Well-known member
I'm thinking since nothing heard yet the chances are slim to none.
Anyone care to differ?
Alan
Anyone care to differ?
Alan
-
Welcome to BirdForum, the internet's largest birding community with thousands of members from all over the world. The forums are dedicated to wild birds, birding, binoculars and equipment and all that goes with it.
Please register for an account to take part in the discussions in the forum, post your pictures in the gallery and more.
What chance SF 8X32 or 7x42 in time for Birdfair? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter alan kennedy
- Start date
alan kennedy
Well-known member
Thanks Lee. Enjoy Uist. I was over at the beginning of May (after the gyr but before the cuckoo!) and had a super week. Back in July.
Let's hope Zeiss spring a surprise or two over the summer.
Alan
alan kennedy
Well-known member
I hadn't heard that Arthur. That would be a shame. They have a great track record.
Alan
Walk around Bird Fair and ask the manufacturers about 7x binoculars and the most frequent answer (even from those that have 7x models) is something along the lines of 'everybody loves them but nobody buys them'. By 'nobody' they of course mean 'not enough'.
I remember Zeiss saying on here that since HT (stands for high transmission) was conceived as a high performer in poor light conditions (eg twilight) a 32mm with its lower light grasp was never considered. You can say this is a missed opportunity but this seems to be how HT was conceived.
Lee
I remember Zeiss saying on here that since HT (stands for high transmission) was conceived as a high performer in poor light conditions (eg twilight) a 32mm with its lower light grasp was never considered. You can say this is a missed opportunity but this seems to be how HT was conceived.
Lee
james holdsworth
Consulting Biologist
Any HT 32mm with AK prisms is likely a non-starter, as it would need to be longer than most 32's, defeating the purpose of getting a ''smaller'' bin.
gandytron
Well-known member
Yes I suspected that an HT in x32 format was unlikely - as much as anything because Zeiss has gone and manufactured a x54mm instead, rather in the opposite direction!
Unfortunately the one time I tried the SF x42 I found them to be a disaster (probably due to the shape of my face) so am less that optimistic about how a x32 may work for me personally. The HT x42 by contrast (tested at the same time) worked perfectly.
Unfortunately the one time I tried the SF x42 I found them to be a disaster (probably due to the shape of my face) so am less that optimistic about how a x32 may work for me personally. The HT x42 by contrast (tested at the same time) worked perfectly.
Hi Gandy
I'm puzzled why SF should be such a problem due to your facial structure and HT be so good. Can you explain a little about what problem SF causes for you?
Lee
gandytron
Well-known member
It was a while back so difficult to be specific, but it was one of those instant things when you put a pair of binos up to your face and it either "works for you" or it doesn't. The SF had been so hyped at release that I had high hopes, but I was immediately sure when using them that they were a no go for me.
gandytron
Well-known member
It was a while back so difficult to be specific, but it was one of those instant things when you put a pair of binos up to your face and it either "works for you" or it doesn't. The SF had been so hyped at release that I had high hopes, but I was immediately sure when using them that they were a no go for me.
NDhunter
Experienced observer
I predict there will be a new 32mm Victory SF, by fall or in the spring.
There will also be a 10 and 12x50 Victory SF.
That will make the flagship line complete.
Zeiss has pretty well updated all of their optics in the last few years, this is the last
one remaining. Those engineers do have things to do, and this is an important one.
There won't be a 7x42.
Jerry
There will also be a 10 and 12x50 Victory SF.
That will make the flagship line complete.
Zeiss has pretty well updated all of their optics in the last few years, this is the last
one remaining. Those engineers do have things to do, and this is an important one.
There won't be a 7x42.
Jerry
Hi Jerry
That sounds pretty logical but there is a gap in it and that is the spotting scopes. The Diascope is competitive but has been out for as long as the FLs and then there is the question of possible Conquest and Terra scopes. BInoculars have had all the attention over the past few years so perhaps we might see a scope soon. And I nearly forgot the Victory Compacts, when were they introduced? They were certainly out in 2005 but I don't recall just when they were launched. So they need an update soon too.
Looks like there is still plenty for the Zeiss development guys to work on.
Lee
Chosun Juan
Given to Fly
Less than zero! :eek!: .......... :smoke:
Apparently 'uncomfortable' conversations have been taking place behind closed doors at Wetzlar ...... previous leaked reports highlighted snippets along these lines ........
Chairperson: " Vot off de neu 32 und millimetre und 7x fernglassers??"
Design Chief: "Vell for die 7x ve haff die vunderbar neu 7x42 UVHD+ und for die 32en millenmetre very haff de super compakt x32 UVHD+, vivf boff havingk zie vunder uber HT optiks az pur yourr instrukshenz off 2-Souzand-und-Twvelf
) "Chairperson: "Einer Dumpkoffs!!" :storm: "Zat is Leica!!!" "Ve dunt own ze blutty Leica! - Idjuts!!" ...... :-@ :stuck:
Design Chief: "Bvut Herr Kommaderr, ze 'expertz' on Birden ze Forumpf say dat ze HT glas iz uzeless, und vill only giff 1.5% tr increase ......."
Chairperson: Enuf viff De excuzes!" :storm: "Ve haff nien x50 enmillenmetre produkt, und ze blutty Swvaroffski is vhipping our botts!! Afta ze 42mm SF introdukshun und produk debakle Herr tuld you to maken ze x32mm HT !!!!"
Design Chief: |8.|
Chairperson: "Vunce more for ze dumpkoffs! ...... Take ze x32 FL und put ze Carbon Fibre in ze plastik body, put ze HT glas ind ze prisms und anuther aspherik linse to korrekt ze blutty spherikal aberrashun of ze exit die pupille Und improven ze Randpupille UND ze glare performanz, Att zum Ultra Ultra FL objektiv - retuun De T* koatingsk, dezign zum uber hi-tek armor und ze zexy leather jaket ..... "
Design Chief: B-b-b-ut- ......."
Chairperson: "Zilence!!" "Ve need ze tim to develop die x50mm SF ..... properly dis tim, und zen viff de x32 mm SF to follo ind 2 yearz tim ........ so get dat x32mm HT finized pronto for 1 Jan 2013 Schnell schell schnell - no mor k*kups!!!"
Design Chief: "Ya vul" |:$|
................
Needless to say those x32 HT deadlines were 'slightly' missed ..... so for Birdfair, Zeiss will finally have the x32mm HT ready, the only adjustment being that it will now be called the x32 BLTN-HT (Better Late Than Never HT
8x32 BLTN-HT Headline Specs and Features:-
Ultra Fluorite lenses, HT lenses, and HT glass S-P prisims
Upgraded T* coatings offer 95%+ o/all tr along with class leading faithful whiteness reproduction.
Carbon Fiber Reinforced Advanced Plastic hi-strength lightweight chassis.
Titanium focus mainshaft.
Dual density lightweight armouring ( copied right this time from Ozzie motorcycle helmet shock absorption and lining design - ie. without the looseness of the SF!
Perforated Kangaroo leather special editions in a range of fashionable and classic colours.
Each binocular purchased will come with a formal apology for the years of delay
Fov: 140m@1km
ER: 17mm (new eyecup design and aspheric lens increases usable ER)
Weight: 454grams (16Ozs)
Dimensions: 116mm Long X 108mm Wide
$1888 (to capture the burgeoning Chinese Market) and a show only special price of $1666 (helluva deal) and free* (*via rebate voucher, excluding freight, insurance and handling fees) upgrade to the improved later production models, for the first 111 units as a preemptive discount for those early adopter retail customers who will be unwittingly used as Beta quality testers ......
An announcement will also be made to officially state that the <2lb (~32Oz or 900gram) x50mm SF range (9× and 12.5×) will be the next product range released ......... 01 April 2017 -- fully developed, without component supply, design or quality problems, and in saleable quantities! RRP $2222
This will be followed on 01 April 2018 by the 555 gram (19.5Oz) x32mm SF range (8× and 10×). RRP $1999 . These models will be sold alongside the x32 BLTN-HT as part of a comprehensive strategic marketing plan :girl:
Hope this helps
Chosun :gh:
Torview
Well-known member
I just realised only Leica still offer their best glass in all the traditional formats, 32 42 and 50mm with 7,8,10,and 12 powers all in UVHD+.
Will Zeiss do a 50mm SF ?, when they have the 54mm HT`s for fans of bigger objectives.
Surely they need to offer a newer 32mm, I accept the FL still has its fans, and that its a fine optic, but I can`t remember the last time I saw one in a dealers.
I`d really like to see an Alpha 36mm series, with the improvements in transmission these days I`m sure they would win a lot of fans.
Will Zeiss do a 50mm SF ?, when they have the 54mm HT`s for fans of bigger objectives.
Surely they need to offer a newer 32mm, I accept the FL still has its fans, and that its a fine optic, but I can`t remember the last time I saw one in a dealers.
I`d really like to see an Alpha 36mm series, with the improvements in transmission these days I`m sure they would win a lot of fans.
Hya T
Logically if Zeiss see HT and SF as to be different eough to offer both in 42mm formats then they shouldn't be too concerned at a 50mm SF treading on the toes of a 54mm HT. Personally, I would love to see an SF 50 but I would like to see a 32 first.
But if you offer a 35/36 would you really want to do a 32? And would a 35/36 really offer sufficient compactness and weight loss compared with what a 32 can offer? All good questions and one which no doubt keeps manufacturers product developers up all night. Except Nikon's, who seem to think of a price level and throw more models at it than the normal human brain can grasp :eek!:.
Lee
