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Has anyone noticed their NL Pure binoculars misting up? (1 Viewer)
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Will K
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Almost the antithesis of the glare reduction caps (#61): these 'aircups' are also available, which apparently improve the edge view. They might also help with airflow, to reduce the fogging previously discussed. They're not official accessories, but custom-built. I'm not exactly sure where they're available to buy.
Has anyone tried them?
Has anyone tried them?
I purchased a pair of 10x42 NLs a couple of days ago and whilst using them with specs have no problem. Without specs, and the eyecups fully extended, they soon fogged/misted up. As i say, because i wear specs it's not a problem but if i didn't it would be a deal breaker.
Thotmosis
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My Swarovski Habicht’s fog up as well, great binoculars but the fogging up is irritating sometimes. I don’t have this with any of my other binoculars. When i put the rubber of the eyecups down the problem disappears but eye placement is ofcourse more difficult. Otherwise great optics.
crinklystarfish
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For what it's worth: if I've been out in very cold conditions and bring my NL into a warm house then, perhaps entirely unsurprisingly, the effect is apparent but I personally haven't experienced the problem outlined in actual use and have used my NL for almost two years over all seasons in many different climatic and weather conditions.
Though it's clear that many prefer to use them, shielding bothersome light with winged eyecups does not address the glare / flare issues ordinarily discussed: which emanate from compromised internal errant light control. Further, using winged eyecups would almost certainly exacerbate any propensity to mist an eyepiece lens.
Though it's clear that many prefer to use them, shielding bothersome light with winged eyecups does not address the glare / flare issues ordinarily discussed: which emanate from compromised internal errant light control. Further, using winged eyecups would almost certainly exacerbate any propensity to mist an eyepiece lens.
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Thotmosis
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Thank you for this first hand information, it’s just my experience with my Habicht’s and hear say from this forum that makes me reluctant to get this beautiful scope. That’s why i asked.
Hermann
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The Habicht is a different case because you need to get a lot closer to the eyepiece lens than with other, more modern eyepieces.
Hermann
Thotmosis
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It seems that my Habicht 10x40 suffers more from fog than my 8x30. Both have GA and so the eyecups and distance on both binoculars are the same. So maybe this is due to the latest coatings? The good thing is: when i fold the eyecups down and position the oculair lenses the right way onder my eyebrow there is no fog. It takes some practice but then the Habicht rules again
. After all it is an older design…but then my Swift Porro doesn’t have this problem?
Hermann
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I doubt that. You'd need a long series of tests in different conditions to come to a firm conclusion.
Hardly surprising. Better airflow = less condensation.
The Habicht 8x30 and the 10x40 have got very short eyerelief. They are basically a design dating back some 70 years. The Swifts are a more modern design, and I reckon most Swifts have got more eyerelief. Plus most of the Swift eyecups are quite shallow, allowing more airflow.It takes some practice but then the Habicht rules again
Hermann
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Thotmosis
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I was wrong about the eyecups on my Habicht’s….the eyecups on the 8x30 IF (on the right) are a few mm longer so the distance from the eye to the ocular as well. Habicht IF has longer eyerelief!
I have seen enough glare in modern Swarovski binos to totally disregard anyone - regardless of credentials - claiming that ”there is no glare”.
It is fine to say that you have ”never experienced glare” but it means very little in my book. This merely suggests that the person making that statement has not used the binos in those conditions that will produce flare.
And yes, I own Swarovski Pure NL myself. (And a BTX)
And yes, my Swarovski can mist up too. I still enjoy using them, I just don’t pretend they are without flaws.
It is fine to say that you have ”never experienced glare” but it means very little in my book. This merely suggests that the person making that statement has not used the binos in those conditions that will produce flare.
And yes, I own Swarovski Pure NL myself. (And a BTX)
And yes, my Swarovski can mist up too. I still enjoy using them, I just don’t pretend they are without flaws.
I find that a slightly offensive over-simplification of things.
It could as well be that you just don‘t know how to properly operate a widefield binocular such as the NL.
Why would that be less plausible?
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Well, I find your posting offensive too. And your thought on the matter less plausible than the idea of Swarovski having made a less than ideal optical design.
And who made you the decider of what is correct or not and what is subjective or objective - or why it should matter?
I am just pointing out that Gijs comment does not say much about anything and is not really helpful for those of us who are finding the Pure NL to have some drawbacks that we don’t see in other binoculars.
And who made you the decider of what is correct or not and what is subjective or objective - or why it should matter?
I am just pointing out that Gijs comment does not say much about anything and is not really helpful for those of us who are finding the Pure NL to have some drawbacks that we don’t see in other binoculars.
Think about it:
Some people experience fogging/misting.
One person claims ”he has never seen it”.
What does that do for the conversation - and how would it help?
Nothing. Good for him.
Some people are sometimes troubled by glare - and more so with a particular binocular. Again: ”authority” posts he has never seen it.
Exactly how does that help?
Nothing.
If you have knowledge on how to avoid glare flare up, please share it instead of making assumptious comments.
Some people experience fogging/misting.
One person claims ”he has never seen it”.
What does that do for the conversation - and how would it help?
Nothing. Good for him.
Some people are sometimes troubled by glare - and more so with a particular binocular. Again: ”authority” posts he has never seen it.
Exactly how does that help?
Nothing.
If you have knowledge on how to avoid glare flare up, please share it instead of making assumptious comments.
I never experienced glare in one bino, for almost 3 years. Birding at the same places at the same time of day/year, switched to another bino and do. Its not just about geography, weather, time of day.
How does posting you experience with fogging or seeing glare help though? Seems like two people reporting their respective experiences - kinda it, period, full stop. Is one more valuable than the other? Complaints are OK? But counter experience reports are not? How can this be? Maybe there's a gap that needs to be filled in but rarely is. Context is important. What do we know about each other? Seems like adding some convo to qualify one's experience might help, maybe?
I did, a number of times and in several forums, and so did other posters, but there are people who seem to prefer to complain rather than change habits … I acknowledge that some people seem to have issues with the NL, and they have my sympathy if they say THEY have issues with the NL. I can only speak for myself, and for ME, glare in the NL is a non-issue (reports about damaged arrmour worry me more).
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edmondpogi
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One possible cause is a difference in temperature between the inside and outside of the binoculars. This can happen when you move from a cold environment to a warmer one, or when the binoculars are exposed to direct sunlight.
To prevent misting up, you can try to acclimate the binoculars to the ambient temperature before use. You can do this by leaving them in their case for a few minutes, or by holding them in your hands for a few minutes. This will help to equalize the temperature inside and outside of the binoculars, which can reduce the likelihood of misting up.
Another possible cause of misting up is moisture inside the binoculars. This can happen if the binoculars are not properly sealed or if they are exposed to moisture, such as rain or humidity. To prevent this from happening, you should store your binoculars in a dry location and avoid exposing them to moisture.
If you have already experienced misting up, you can try to dry out the binoculars by leaving them in a dry location for several hours. You can also try using a desiccant, such as silica gel packets, to absorb any moisture that may be inside the binoculars.
If the problem persists or if you have any other concerns about your NL Pure binoculars, it may be best to contact the manufacturer for further assistance.
To prevent misting up, you can try to acclimate the binoculars to the ambient temperature before use. You can do this by leaving them in their case for a few minutes, or by holding them in your hands for a few minutes. This will help to equalize the temperature inside and outside of the binoculars, which can reduce the likelihood of misting up.
Another possible cause of misting up is moisture inside the binoculars. This can happen if the binoculars are not properly sealed or if they are exposed to moisture, such as rain or humidity. To prevent this from happening, you should store your binoculars in a dry location and avoid exposing them to moisture.
If you have already experienced misting up, you can try to dry out the binoculars by leaving them in a dry location for several hours. You can also try using a desiccant, such as silica gel packets, to absorb any moisture that may be inside the binoculars.
If the problem persists or if you have any other concerns about your NL Pure binoculars, it may be best to contact the manufacturer for further assistance.
PeterPS
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I am with HenRun on this one. There is a clear distinction between saying I see no glare in the view thru the NL, and there is no glare. It has been objectively shown on the BF and other forums that the NL binos have serious glare issues. My testing of NL 8x42 and 10x42 has confirmed that (my NLs were bought directly from Swaro immediately after the launch of the NL line and were probably very early examples of NL, I hope Swaro has made improvements in later versions).
Anyway, the suggestion often repeated on this forum that people who notice glare in the NL do not know how to "properly operate" the binos is unreasonable (almost absurd). Many people who reported glare in the NL have used binos for many years and they know very well how to "operate" their binos.
PS. As we grow older our eye pupils open less and less. So growing old is a sure way of avoiding glare (which, as the saying goes, is preferable to the alternative of not growing old...).
Anyway, the suggestion often repeated on this forum that people who notice glare in the NL do not know how to "properly operate" the binos is unreasonable (almost absurd). Many people who reported glare in the NL have used binos for many years and they know very well how to "operate" their binos.
PS. As we grow older our eye pupils open less and less. So growing old is a sure way of avoiding glare (which, as the saying goes, is preferable to the alternative of not growing old...).
