please help with these from Port Elizabeth South Africa # 2 (1 Viewer)

[Bewick]

Plumage on shoulder is just white under and dark upper wing meeting

I think so too, it would be really cool if the photographer gave us a relative size. I’m on the side that it’s a tropical boubou but I’m not 100%.

 

[birdboybowley]

Not getting a boubou feel at all.....another point is the single streak on utc's....same as male in other pic

 

[THE_FERN]

Not getting a boubou feel at all.....another point is the single streak on utc's....same as male in other pic

Beak is not strongly hooked: not boubou

 

[Bewick]

Beak is not strongly hooked: not boubou

Agreed, I’ve changed my mind, also the tail looks like it has white edges on the upper facing part. I think it’s just a male flycatcher. The bill probably just looks bigger because of the twig in its mouth.

 

[birdboybowley]

Not a male, far too grey. But still a Fiscal Fly

 

[Butty]

3-4. Can't see the problem. Clearly male and female/imm/worn of the same species (same bill-shape and plumage pattern including undertail-coverts). Clearly not any sort of shrike, including boubous (bill-shape). Everything fine for fiscal flycatcher, including undertail-covert shaft-streaks >> ML482109031 Fiscal Flycatcher Macaulay Library

 

[chowchilla]

I called it a Fiscal Flycatcher the first time I saw the pic. They're very common in that part of SA. Doesn't have the jizz of a Boubou for me.