Johnny Allan
Dip or Glory
Hi there,
for those who read (and have any interest in) the 'robust' off topic discussion at the latter end of the original White-winged Scoter thread, (I think it started to digress about here):
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=203023&highlight=uk400club&page=4
The upshot of it seems to be that the UK400Club, (a slightly misleading title as it lists birds from the Republic of Ireland), will publish your name and a list of species against it, even if you have not submitted one and do not wish it to be there:
http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/File-Store/LifeListTotals_June%202011.pdf
I am not interested in UK400Club listing, I don't twitch Ireland and I follow the BOU British list. I have no problem with anyone having a UK400Club list or any other, or no list at all for that matter, it's an individual choice. I have politely asked the UK400Club's founder and self appointed 'judge and juror', Lee Evans to remove me from the list but he has refused, I believe he has refused others who have made similar requests, I can't see why.
OK, so it's not a big deal and I'll live, but I find it discourteous to put my name against a fabricated list (most of the list totals are incorrect IMO), when I have not requested this and do not wish to submit a list and do not want it to be there.
As there seems to be nothing, despite polite requests, I can do to have my name removed, this must, at least, entitle me to question the UK400Club, it's list of lists, it's taxonomic decisions etc and give others the chance to express an opinion (either way), or reply if they so wish, as they were on the aforementioned thread (which was understanderbly closed as it was so far off topic). It was sensibly suggested there that this question be taken up in a thread of it's own.
So, this UK400 'list of lists'. It looks wrong to me. Steve Webb has the highest 'British and Irish' list. I have heard that 'tactical splitting' goes on but don't know if there is any truth in this, please advise if you know. Most lists I can compare look wrong. If you compare the first ten BUBO UK400 Club listings (placed by the individuals themselves), with the list published by the UK400 Club, there are some big discrepancies. What's the point of having a list of 'guesstimated', as Lee put it, or fabricated lists ? Was there really a 'Mike Hunt' on this list, whose list was regularly updated ? Surely the ideal situation is to only publish lists that have been submitted ?
That's all for now. I'll continue later if there's enough interest. I won't if there's not.
Kind regards
Johnny Allan
for those who read (and have any interest in) the 'robust' off topic discussion at the latter end of the original White-winged Scoter thread, (I think it started to digress about here):
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=203023&highlight=uk400club&page=4
The upshot of it seems to be that the UK400Club, (a slightly misleading title as it lists birds from the Republic of Ireland), will publish your name and a list of species against it, even if you have not submitted one and do not wish it to be there:
http://www.uk400clubonline.co.uk/File-Store/LifeListTotals_June%202011.pdf
I am not interested in UK400Club listing, I don't twitch Ireland and I follow the BOU British list. I have no problem with anyone having a UK400Club list or any other, or no list at all for that matter, it's an individual choice. I have politely asked the UK400Club's founder and self appointed 'judge and juror', Lee Evans to remove me from the list but he has refused, I believe he has refused others who have made similar requests, I can't see why.
OK, so it's not a big deal and I'll live, but I find it discourteous to put my name against a fabricated list (most of the list totals are incorrect IMO), when I have not requested this and do not wish to submit a list and do not want it to be there.
As there seems to be nothing, despite polite requests, I can do to have my name removed, this must, at least, entitle me to question the UK400Club, it's list of lists, it's taxonomic decisions etc and give others the chance to express an opinion (either way), or reply if they so wish, as they were on the aforementioned thread (which was understanderbly closed as it was so far off topic). It was sensibly suggested there that this question be taken up in a thread of it's own.
So, this UK400 'list of lists'. It looks wrong to me. Steve Webb has the highest 'British and Irish' list. I have heard that 'tactical splitting' goes on but don't know if there is any truth in this, please advise if you know. Most lists I can compare look wrong. If you compare the first ten BUBO UK400 Club listings (placed by the individuals themselves), with the list published by the UK400 Club, there are some big discrepancies. What's the point of having a list of 'guesstimated', as Lee put it, or fabricated lists ? Was there really a 'Mike Hunt' on this list, whose list was regularly updated ? Surely the ideal situation is to only publish lists that have been submitted ?
That's all for now. I'll continue later if there's enough interest. I won't if there's not.
Kind regards
Johnny Allan