James, for context, there has been a very persistent person who has created multiple accounts on this site in order to glean information on various sensitive/scarce/rare/schedule 1 species over the years, and John is alluding that any new member asking for such information in their first post is just another identity created by the same person. If that is not the case, then perhaps an apology is due - the forum is generally a welcome and friendly place, with most members happy to help out with information - though it is likely that John's comment was in jest and no offence was intended.
There is (quite correctly IMO) a reluctance to provide any information relating to sensitive species on a public forum, as in recent times the rise of "all the gear, no idea" toggers, and other enthusiastic year listing birders has resulted in some well documented cases of winter roosts being disturbed, and therefore even the suggestion that these species may be present at a county level (particularly LEO) is generally suppressed.
The best advice I can give (I do not know Rutland area whatsoever) is to scan through historic bird reports for locations where your target species have been previously recorded, cross reference the habitat within these geographic areas, and check them out in person.
SEO have a preference for areas of rough grassland with scattered scrub/trees for roosting, though they will also use set aside in arable areas if there isn't any suitable ruderal habitat available.
LEO have a preference for scrub/hedges in close proximity to water features, so a mature hawthorn hedge abutting a wet ditch or stream is a good starting point.
If you are successful, it is perhaps wise to conform to the status quo; keep the information to yourself, and notify the relevant county recorder towards the end of the season.
Hope this helps!
