Extinct or Extant - you decide.... (2 Viewers)

Docmartin · Apr 14, 2006

For fun(?).... I know there's hundreds of these we could do, but....

three species of bird

1) Ivory-billed Woodpecker Campephilus principalis

2) Eskimo Curlew Numenius borealis

3) Slender-billed Curlew Numenius tenuirostris

Who wants to vote on which they think are extinct, and which survive?
IBW - alive or dead will suffice - there are other threads for that one!

For what it's worth, I think the balance of probabilities is
1) dead
2) dead
3) dead

dbradnum · Apr 14, 2006

I can't argue with the balance of probabilities you suggest... but if I had to pick one of the three as still surviving, then Slender-billed would get my vote (though my knowledge of Eskimo Curlew is admittedly pretty thin)

dan pointon · Apr 14, 2006

Think one of our very own members - Reader, had a Slender Billed in Greece not too far back, perhaps theyre still clinging on....

Dave J · Apr 14, 2006

1) Alive (I don't think i really believe that - Just like the idea of it !).

2) Dead and buried.

3) Alive (Not quite ready to give up on that one yet).

dsc · Apr 15, 2006

You could add these

4) Bachman's Warbler Vermivora bachmanii
5) Imperial Woodpecker Campephilus imperialis

1) Extinct
2) Extinct maybe.
3) No Answer (Sorry, I am a parochial American)
4) Extinct
5) Extinct

James Eaton · Apr 15, 2006

I would like to think that Slender-billed Curlew is clinging on somewhere on those remote steppes, there must be vast areas that still remain unsearched......?

There is another seemingly 'lost' species that has gone unoticed within China, hasn't been recorded since 1989 (that I am aware of), Biet's Laughingthrush. This species must be struggling due to habitat loss. Same with Javan Lapwing, no sightings since 1930's (?) but reports by locals persist, personally, I think this could a goner too.

Andrew Whitehouse · Apr 15, 2006

1. Persistant vegetative state
2. On St Peter's list
3. Pining for the fjords

cuckooroller · Apr 15, 2006

Since I believe in parallel universes, I think they are all extant somewhere, as well as the Dodo!

Jacana · Apr 15, 2006

ou???

humminbird · Apr 15, 2006

1) extant
2) undecided - insufficient evidence
3) unfamiliar with this bird

CornishExile · Apr 18, 2006

Pink-headed Duck?

Recent rumours suggest it might still cling on...

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Steven Astley · Apr 18, 2006

Thre ivory billed woodpecker extinct! no way my friend has seen one, unfortunately he cannot repond on here as he has been abducted by aliens.

OwlTalon · Apr 18, 2006

The ivory-bill is still here! You can't sway me. I looked at that blurry video evidence from Cornell, and I know pileateds, so I say 'EXTANT"
The eskimo curlew, not so sure, I don't know the bird that well, but I say never give up on "extinct birds", and keep an open mind.
I know the slender-billed curlew less than the eskimo, so I can't say.

OwlTalon · Apr 18, 2006

How about a New Zealand Moa or a Teratorn some where? (just kidding)

timeshadowed · Apr 18, 2006

The ivory-billed still LIVES!!

1. The reason I believe this is that there have been continued reports and sightings throughout the last 60 year period which have been simply ignored by most.

2. Those who claim that the bird is extinct cannot 'produce proof' of the bird's demise, so their claims remain unproven to this day.

3. The IBWO dwells within very deep, dense, swamps which are extremely difficult to search, therefore it has remained 'hidden from view' for the most part since 1944.

These are not the only reasons that I believe the IBWO still extists, but it is a good start.

TimeShadowed

Ben O · Apr 18, 2006

timeshadowed said:
The ivory-billed still LIVES!!

1. The reason I believe this is that there have been continued reports and sightings throughout the last 60 year period which have been simply ignored by most.

2. Those who claim that the bird is extinct cannot 'produce proof' of the bird's demise, so their claims remain unproven to this day.

3. The IBWO dwells within very deep, dense, swamps which are extremely difficult to search, therefore it has remained 'hidden from view' for the most part since 1944.

These are not the only reasons that I believe the IBWO still extists, but it is a good start.

TimeShadowed

Cannot all of the above be applied to numerous other creatures? Thylacine and suchlike.

Ben

timmyjones · Apr 18, 2006

1) alive
2) Dead
3) Alive (just)

jurek · Apr 19, 2006

Docmartin said:
Who wants to vote on which they think are extinct, and which survive?

Americans vote every four years whether many species will be extinct or survive. By voting for pro- or anti-environmental government, you decide.

It is completely serious - governments and voters decide fate of birds.

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I'm worried about such voting, because public debate on ivorybill is apparently used by developers lobby. Extinction of birds should be left for scientists. Otherwise industrial lobby will vote in few months that all endangered species are figment of imagination.

Doubtless, there are people who want to vote if ivorybill exists or evolution exists. I hope they should first vote if gravity works or electricity in socket is harmful. With predictable results.

Docmartin · Apr 19, 2006

jurek said:
By voting for pro- or anti-environmental government,
.

has the EVER been a pro-environment government? anywhere?

kb244 · Apr 19, 2006

Docmartin said:
has the EVER been a pro-environment government? anywhere?

Maybe one that used pro-enviroment quotes and promises to gain a few extra votes.

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