?house martin / crag martin, Italy (1 Viewer)

marnixR

WYSIWYG

• Oct 6, 2019

• #1

two sets of pictures, the first two (taken in Vicenza) i suspect are house martins (although it could be some other type of swallow), the second two (taken in Pescasseroli, Abruzzo National Park) i reckon are crag martins

am i anywhere near the mark ? first set taken middle of august, second set second half of september

 

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Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening

Supporter

• Oct 6, 2019

• #2

I agree with your IDs.

 

marnixR

WYSIWYG

• Oct 6, 2019

• #3

thank you

 

rollingthunder

Well-known member

• Oct 7, 2019

• #4

Looks like a Rumper in pic1...

Laurie -

 

marnixR

WYSIWYG

• Oct 7, 2019

• #5

is this picture of any use to clarify ? same group of birds a those i posted earlier (i assume that by "rumper" you mean red-rumped swallow?)

 

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rollingthunder

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• Oct 7, 2019

• #6

Check all your images carefully - there are Rumpers there:t:

Laurie -

 

marnixR

WYSIWYG

• Oct 7, 2019

• #7

are you saying that there's a mixture of house martins and red-rumped swallows ? because if that's the case, my eye clearly is untrained to see the difference :-C

 

PYRTLE

Old Berkshire Boy

• Oct 7, 2019

• #8

Yes, look at the left hand bird in #1. Clearly see a reddish throat patch, lighter nape sides and a buffish rump patch.

 

marnixR

WYSIWYG

• Oct 7, 2019

• #9

i see - i had assumed that wasn't a real colour but a reflection from the yellow wall

 

Larry Sweetland

Formerly 'Larry Wheatland'

• Oct 7, 2019

• #10

I'm not seeing any Red-rumped Swallows ....:smoke:

 

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igorfest

Well-known member

• Oct 7, 2019

• #11

The photographs with yellow background show House Martins (the one with a brownish smudge on the throat, pale flecks on the forehead and white margins to tertiary coverts is clearly a Juv, not Red-rumped Swallow...), while on the other 2 photographs I see Crag Martins.

Ciao Igor, Italy

 

rollingthunder

Well-known member

• Oct 7, 2019

• #12

I would have put my money on the bottom left bird in pic 1 being a Rumper - longer wings and different shaped head - in addition to the rump and collar...

Laurie -

 

dantheman

Bah humbug

• Oct 7, 2019

• #13

Thought there was a fairly marked size difference between the two species ... ?

 

Nutcracker

Stop Brexit!

• Oct 7, 2019

• #14

Brightened pic 1; that lower left bird certainly looks odd for a House Martin, but still think it is one (perhaps stained), as the head shows a sharp contrast below the eye between the black crown and pale throat; Red-rump doesn't have that contrast, with the eye obvious in the paler side of the head.

 

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Nutcracker

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• Oct 7, 2019

• #15

And in pic 2, same bird shows HM's shallowly forked tail:

 

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Nutcracker

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• Oct 7, 2019

• #16

And pic from post #5, still all House Martins:

 

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rollingthunder

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• Oct 7, 2019

• #17

Ok - i am now in the HM club. I suppose the absence of adult Rumpers would be the obvious factor but how do we know if we are not there?

Laurie:t: