Dove, Morocco (1 Viewer)

rylirk

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• May 25, 2018

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I know its a collared dove, but African or European? Tangier, Morocco - March 2017

 

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Andrew Whitehouse

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• May 25, 2018

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Is there any reason you think it might not be a European Collared Dove? That would be the default species in Morocco.

 

rylirk

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• May 25, 2018

• #3

I had been under the impression that both occurred in Morocco and far southern Iberia?

 

Andrew Whitehouse

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• May 25, 2018

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rylirk said:

I had been under the impression that both occurred in Morocco and far southern Iberia?

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I'm not aware that wild African Collared Doves occur north of the Sahel region of sub-Saharan Africa. There might potentially be Barbary Doves, which are domestic descendents of ACDs, but I don't think they would be that likely. European Collared Doves are abundant in Morocco.

 

rylirk

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• May 25, 2018

• #5

That probably answers that then ^_^ Thanks!

 

Andy Adcock

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• May 25, 2018

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Andrew Whitehouse said:

Is there any reason you think it might not be a European Collared Dove? That would be the default species in Morocco.

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I think you mean Eurasian....


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Earnest lad

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• May 25, 2018

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When I went on holiday in Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands I saw , among some flocks of Eurasian Collared Doves, certain birds that were distinctly paler than the Eurasian Collared Doves they were accompanying.
Please does anyone know what these might have been. Would these have been Barbary Doves?

 

Andrew Whitehouse

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• May 25, 2018

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kasfig said:

When I went on holiday in Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands I saw , among some flocks of Eurasian Collared Doves, certain birds that were distinctly paler than the Eurasian Collared Doves they were accompanying.
Please does anyone know what these might have been. Would these have been Barbary Doves?

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I think Barbary Doves are established in the Canaries, so quite possibly.

 

njlarsen

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• May 25, 2018

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kasfig said:

When I went on holiday in Gran Canaria in the Canary Islands I saw , among some flocks of Eurasian Collared Doves, certain birds that were distinctly paler than the Eurasian Collared Doves they were accompanying.
Please does anyone know what these might have been. Would these have been Barbary Doves?

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Possibly but far from certain. Eurasian CD has been in captivity as well and some of those are really pale. The relative paleness of undertail coverts relative to underside further forward usually is a good field mark for separating those from Barbary doves https://www.birdforum.net/opus/Eurasian_Collared_Dove

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Earnest lad

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• May 25, 2018

• #10

Dear Andrew and Neils
Thank you both for your kind and informative comments. Especially Neil's contribution alerted me to a new possibility in regard to those particular birds that I observed on that occasion.